Yeah...it's the promised land for PM and managers because the devs are doing their job for them.
-----Original Message----- From: Jerry Milo Johnson [mailto:jmi...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 8:22 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Sometimes... Well, no. Scrum is an attempt to apply engineering principles to a historically unmeasurable process. and like with baking, or making cement, following the process AS CLOSELY AS POSSIBLE is the actual purpose. the client can say "i need a double batch", or "I need it to dry underwater", but that just directs the team to change the formula, the client doesn't get to say "add more lyme, and use orange juice instead of water." when done well, i have seen it work great. but i usually see a train wreck. but that is true of all dev methodologies. which is why agile seems like the promised land for pms and managers. On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 8:17 AM, GMoney <gm0n3...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Uh, the only RIGHT way....is the way the client tells you to do it. > Because the only right way, is the way that gets you paid. > > > On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 7:14 PM, Scott Stroz <boyz...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Hour long 'scrum', regardless of the reason, is doing it wrong. > > > > PM should be giving client a briefing based on the daily scrum or if > client > > insists on being on call, they should play by the 'rules'. > > > > Sounds like client doesn't understand how the daily scrum is > > supposed to work and that no one is willing/able to explain it. > > On Aug 4, 2014 1:10 PM, "GMoney" <gm0n3...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > He might be under similar constraints that my project is given. > > > The > > client > > > deemed our project "essential" and "critical", and they want > observation > > > and updates daily.....so we are forced to have our clients on the > > > phone with us for our daily standups. You can imagine how this > > > complicates things. > > > > > > Agile scrums can be corrupted just like any other process...we've > > > had > > hour > > > long stand-ups because the client steers them that way. Eric > > > probably > has > > > some similar externality that is butchering his Agile purity. > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Scott Stroz <boyz...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hour scrum? > > > > > > > > Yea...you are doing it so very wrong. > > > > > > > > If our daily scrum is more than 5 minutes, I get antsy. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 12:10 PM, Eric Roberts < > > > > ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We have an hour meeting every day for our scrum, plus a > retrospective > > > > and a > > > > > scrum panning session during a new sprint. Those meetings can > > > > > go > up > > > to 2 > > > > > hrs...I think it is just an excuse for management not to do > > > > > it's > > job... > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] > > > > > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2014 10:41 AM > > > > > To: cf-community > > > > > Subject: Re: Sometimes... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again....if you spend that much time in meetings, you are not > > > > > doing > > > > 'agile' > > > > > correctly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 8:32 AM, GMoney <gm0n3...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AMEN!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Our shop is going full blown Agile, and the meetings are > > > > > > driving > me > > > > nuts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 6:07 PM, Casey Dougall - Uber Website > > > Solutions > > > > > > < ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LoL, that is priceless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm so glad our team isn't agile. Waste of frigging time > > > > > > > that > > is... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2 days a sprint wasted to meetings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Working with the agile process I see LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: C. Hatton Humphrey [mailto:chumph...@gmail.com] > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 1:14 PM > > > > > > > To: cf-community > > > > > > > Subject: Sometimes... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, have to vent. Work's being a bit more "bang head > > here"-ish > > > > > > > than usual. Guess the next skills I need to develop to > > > > > > > advance > > my > > > > > > > career are telepathy, time travel and insomnia. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Happy Friday, folks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Until Later! > > > > > > > C. Hatton Humphrey > > > > > > > http://www.eastcoastconservative.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every cloud does have a silver lining. 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