I know how ya feel. I spend a week in Michigan at out cottage, with no AC, it's a cottage. ;) Temps were in the 90's everyday. Thank god for the lake!
-----Original Message----- From: Michael Haggerty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 10:16 AM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Super Duper Controversial post....heheh Kevin; You know, I really want to have an intense back and forth with you over this subject. Maybe, if things were different, we could even engage in some low level name calling. Sadly, my flamethrower has no napalm right now and I'm still exhausted from a few nights of having no AC in the apartment. Plus my daughter is sick, which is pulling me away from just about everything right now. Please excuse me for not whipping out the big stick of social justice and enlightenment. For today, you can hold whatever beliefs you wish :^) M -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 10:54 AM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Super Duper Controversial post....heheh I see your point. Anyone who asks me my opinion of homosexuality will always get both sides, as this debates has evidenced. While I think it is not natural, I would never encourage violence. I have interacted with gay people in the past. My hair stylist when I was in High school was gay and my wife and I led the youth group at a gay and trans gendered church, believe it or not, long story, good and bad experiences with it, which helped to shape my views as they are now. My views on homosexuality have changed over time to where they are now. -----Original Message----- From: Michael Haggerty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 9:52 AM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Super Duper Controversial post....heheh Kevin; I see your point and respect your right to hold it. I know many people who hold the same view, and would probably agree with what you said. One is always forced to wonder about other's commitment to their point of view. Were one to read a comment like "Not if it is a biological defect, then it is not natural." it could be interpreted as meaning that the comment's author subscribes to the belief homosexuality is completely unnatural and perhaps even dangerous. No one wants to be a defect, after all, and certainly no one wants to be surrounded by defective creations, right? Possibly they could be contagious! Our language reveals more than we want it to sometimes. While no right minded, reasonable person openly encourages violence against other groups, sometimes we do something much worse by thoughtlessly characterizing something we really know *nothing* about in strange, unnatural and somewhat exclusionary terms. Ideas have a way of spreading, growing, and becoming much different than what we intended for them to be. One might be tempted to look at this accident of intentions as the root of violence, and question the legitimacy of another's claim that they subscribe to a 'what you do in your home is your business' belief. M -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 10:26 AM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Super Duper Controversial post....heheh Mike, While I may not agree with the gay lifestyle, I do agree that people should not act out violently against gay people. That to me is wrong. I would never admonish someone for being gay. I wouldn't say mean or hurtful things to them nor would I try to make their life miserable. Like I said, what you do in the privacy of your own home is your business, just don't ask me to agree with what you do or support you in it. Kevin -----Original Message----- From: Michael Haggerty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 9:25 AM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Super Duper Controversial post....heheh The number of articles being cited should not be germane to the argument, the source of the articles and the qualifications of the writers should. There is a movement amongst geneticists, neuropathologists, and other scientists concerned with the 'mechanics' of thought to treat homosexuality as a human condition brought on by a number of biological factors, and there is a large body of work concerned with the relationship between in vitro hormonal levels and later homosexuality. A site with a number of good articles is Nature www.nature.com, which has covered the topic in depth over the past few years. The other side of argument is that this is a behavior people choose to engage in and is predominently a 'learned' activity. The proponents of this argument, in my experience, tend to be religious leaders, politicians, guidance counsellors, and the like. The 700 club's Web site has an equally broad range of articles on the subject. Neither camp has been able to prove their point exhaustively, and therefore the truth remains open to interpretation. Choose your King. I, for one, always go back to the book of John in these arguments, and to Jesus' admonition of the mob about to stone the adultress: 'Let he who is without sin cast the first stone'. It is not my business who is gay, nor do I care about the roots of homosexuality. The problem is, being homosexual is so laden with guilt and societal displeasure that people who should know better often act out against homosexuals unjustly. I need not point out the multitude of examples of violence against homosexuals to make my point. Injustice is something I find threatening, and, if someone wants to march to promote their way of life so maybe others will understand and stop beating their heads in, I cannot oppose their desire to do so. M -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 9:54 AM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Super Duper Controversial post....heheh And I am sure, as I will do at lunch, that I can find just as many articles proving yours wrong. We'll see. I'll take a look at what you sent. Examine it and let you know what I think. -----Original Message----- From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 8:52 AM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Super Duper Controversial post....heheh Enough supporting evidence or do you want more? I changed the search terms somewhat to eliminate AIDS and HIV, and eliminate letters to the editor and reviews. The search terms were also changed to be somewhat more inclusive. 684 article were found. So what more evidence do you want? I think that I demonstrated my point. The evidence supporting the biological basis of male homosexuality is overwheming on the genetic studies alone. The quality of the research is adequate. Now as you were saying. larry -- Larry C. Lyons ColdFusion/Web Developer Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer EBStor.com 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 tel: (703) 393-7930 fax: (703) 393-2659 Web: http://www.ebstor.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. -- > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 9:21 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Super Duper Controversial post....heheh > > > Ahh, but you are quick to ask for someone elses numbers when they make > an unproven statement. You are asking me to prove your point. That's > not laziness it's calling you and you can't prove what you said. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 8:19 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Super Duper Controversial post....heheh > > I am not going to do your work for you. Go to grateful med and look up > the > research yourself. I do not contribute to another's laziness. > > -- > Larry C. Lyons > ColdFusion/Web Developer > Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer > EBStor.com > 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 > tel: (703) 393-7930 > fax: (703) 393-2659 > Web: http://www.ebstor.com > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. > -- > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 9:14 AM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: RE: Super Duper Controversial post....heheh > > > > > > Show me your numbers Larry. I have heard arguments both > ways, but was > > unaware there was a consensus. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 7:51 AM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: RE: Super Duper Controversial post....heheh > > > > Given that the consensus now is that homosexuality is biologically > > based, I > > take it that you consider it ok to discriminate against > > people based on > > factors that they cannot control. > > > > Isn't that what the civil rights stuff in the late 50's and > early 60's > > was > > all about? > > > > > > -- > > Larry C. Lyons > > ColdFusion/Web Developer > > Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer > > EBStor.com > > 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 > > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 > > tel: (703) 393-7930 > > fax: (703) 393-2659 > > Web: http://www.ebstor.com > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. > > -- > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 5:00 PM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: RE: Super Duper Controversial post....heheh > > > > > > > > > Here is my take on Homosexuality. What you do in the > > privacy of your > > > own home is your business. I support equal rights for gay > > > people, they > > > are people, they don't however, deserve special rights. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Beth F [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 3:59 PM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: Super Duper Contraversial post....heheh > > > > > > The Bible contains six admonishments to homosexuals and 362 > > > admonishments > > > to heterosexuals. That doesn't mean that God doesn't love > > > heterosexuals. > > > It's just that they need more supervision. ~Lynn Lavner > > > > > > If homosexuality is a disease, let's all call in queer to > > > work: "Hello. > > > Can't work today, still queer." ~Robin Tyler > > > > > > I'd rather be black than gay because when you're black you > > don't have > > > to > > > tell your mother. ~Charles Pierce, 1980 > > > > > > War. Rape. Murder. Poverty. Equal rights for gays. Guess > > > which one the > > > Southern Baptist Convention is protesting? ~The Value > of Families > > > > > > Jesse Helms and Newt Gingrich were shaking hands congratulating > > > themselves on the introduction of an antigay bill in > Congress. If it > > > passes, > > > they won't be able to shake hands, because it will then be > > > illegal for > > > a > > > prick to touch an asshole. ~Judy Carter > > > > > > 'You could move.' ~Abigail Van Buren, "Dear Abby," in > > > response to a > > > reader who complained that a gay couple was moving in across > > > the street > > > and > > > wanted to know what he could do to improve the quality of the > > > neighborhood. > > > > > > The one bonus of not lifting the ban on gays in the > > military is that > > > the > > > next time the government mandates a draft we can all declare > > > homosexuality > > > instead of running off to Canada. ~Lorne Bloch > > > > > > Why can't they have gay people in the army? Personally, I > > think they > > > are > > > just afraid of a thousand guys with M16s going, "Who'd you call a > > > faggot?" > > > ~ Jon Stewart > > > > > > My lesbianism is an act of Christian charity. All those > women out > > > there > > > praying for a man, and I'm giving them my share. > > ~Rita Mae Brown > > > > > > Soldiers who are not afraid of guns, bombs, capture, > > torture or death > > > say > > > they are afraid of homosexuals. Clearly we should not be used as > > > soldiers; > > > we should be used as weapons. ~Letter to the Editor, The Advocate > > > > > > You don't have to be straight to be in the military; you > > just have to > > > be > > > able to shoot straight. ~Barry Goldwater > > > > > > Why is it that, as a culture, we are more comfortable > > seeing two men > > > holding guns than holding hands? ~Ernest Gaines > > > > > > My own belief is that there is hardly anyone whose sexual > > life, if it > > > were > > > broadcast, would not fill the world at large with surprise > > and horror. > > > ~W. Somerset Maugham > > > > > > Drag is when a man wears everything a lesbian won't. ~Author > > > Unknown > > > > > > If male homosexuals are called "gay," then female > > > homosexuals should be > > > called "ecstatic." ~Shelly Roberts > > > > > > My mother took me to a psychiatrist when I was fifteen > because she > > > thought > > > I was a latent homosexual. There was nothing latent about it. > > > ~Amanda > > > Bearse > > > > > > Some women can't say the word lesbian...even when their > > mouth is full > > > of > > > one. ~Kate Clinton > > > > > > No matter how far in or out of the closet you are, you > still have a > > > next > > > step. ~Author Unknown > > > > > > It always seemed to me a bit pointless to disapprove of > > > homosexuality. > > > It's like disapproving of rain. ~Francis Maude > > > > > > The only queer people are those who don't love anybody. > > ~Rita Mae > > > Brown > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
