ummm that was Howie's idea of humor or as we call it here in Canada... humour! Douglas you get the booby prize! :-)
Patrick -----Original Message----- From: Douglas Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 4:11 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Camps for Citizens: Ashcroft's Hellish Vision So who here is under investigation? "Carnivore is a computer-based system that is designed to allow the FBI, in cooperation with an Internet Service Provider (ISP), to comply with court orders requiring the collection of certain information about emails or other electronic communications to or from (a specific user targeted in an investigation.)" Douglas Brown Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 12:58 PM Subject: Re: Camps for Citizens: Ashcroft's Hellish Vision > I figured it out....We are under a damn microscope here!!! > > Carnivore version 3.6b7 > http://www.robertgraham.com/pubs/carnivore-faq.html > > > > > Douglas Brown > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Douglas Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 12:55 PM > Subject: Re: Camps for Citizens: Ashcroft's Hellish Vision > > > > What the heck is this? > > > > ---=== Carnivore version 3.6b7 Alert Status 6d3fc ===--- > > --- System alert; message intercepted at 15:29 16 Aug 2002 --- > > --- Message scan alert level 8 (v014) --- > > --- Detailed status: Message contains anti-Ashcroft text --- > > --- Recommended action: detail indefinitlely --- > > --- EOT --- > > > > > > > > > > Douglas Brown > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "William H. Bowen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 12:51 PM > > Subject: Re: Camps for Citizens: Ashcroft's Hellish Vision > > > > > > > > The U.S. Bill of Rights states that "All men are created equal", > > > > > > ummm, actually that is the Declaration of Independence. > > > > > > http://www.law.indiana.edu/uslawdocs/declaration.html > > > > > > not the US Constitution (Bill of Rights or otherwise) > > > > > > http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.text.html > > > > > > HTH > > > > > > will > > > ---- > > > > > > William H. Bowen > > > Webmaster > > > > > > ALSTOM's T&D Energy Automation & Information Business > > > > > > "Your friendly neighborhood Webmaster!" > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > http://www.esca.com/ > > > > > > 425.739.3629 Voice > > > 425.466.7016 Cell > > > 425.739.3690 FAX > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Kevin Graeme" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 12:25 PM > > > Subject: RE: Camps for Citizens: Ashcroft's Hellish Vision > > > > > > > > > > The U.S. Bill of Rights states that "All men are created equal", and is > > > the > > > > cornerstone of the U.S. Constitution. It is my opinion that _any_ > person, > > > > U.S. citizen or not, should be protected by the Constitution when tried > of > > > a > > > > crime in or against the U.S by a U.S. court, military or otherwise. To > do > > > > any less is to completely disregard the Constitution and makes a mockery > > > of > > > > the principles upon which our Nation was founded. > > > > > > > > -Kevin > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Douglas Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 1:17 PM > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > Subject: Re: Camps for Citizens: Ashcroft's Hellish Vision > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok here is my spin on this. If a citizenof the US was deemed a > > > > > combatant, then > > > > > he should be "Found Guilty" of being a combatant by a jury of > > > > > his/her peers. > > > > > If he/she is found guilty of such a charge, then by all means > > > > > they do not need > > > > > liberties. We do not give middle eastern combatants liberties, > > > > > and therefore > > > > > no matter where you are born, if you are againt the US you can > > > > > just suffer "If > > > > > you are found guilty". As far as the government being the one to > > > > > decide this, > > > > > I think that is simply ludicrous and everyone would be a > > > > > combatant if they had > > > > > their way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Douglas Brown > > > > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Howie Hamlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 11:58 AM > > > > > Subject: Camps for Citizens: Ashcroft's Hellish Vision > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Atty. Gen. John Ashcroft's announced desire for camps for U.S. > > > > > citizens he > > > > > deems to be "enemy combatants" has moved him > > > > > > from merely being a political embarrassment to being a > constitutional > > > > > menace. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashcroft's plan, disclosed last week but little publicized, > > > > > would allow him > > > > > to order the indefinite incarceration of > > > > > > U.S. citizens and summarily strip them of their constitutional > > > > > rights and > > > > > access to the courts by declaring them enemy > > > > > > combatants. > > > > > > > > > > > > The proposed camp plan should trigger immediate congressional > > > > > hearings and > > > > > reconsideration of Ashcroft's fitness for > > > > > > this important office. Whereas Al Qaeda is a threat to the lives of > > > our > > > > > citizens, Ashcroft has become a clear and > > > > > > present threat to our liberties. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.latimes.com/la-oe-turley14aug14.story > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-community@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
