The uses you described are valid uses of those types of vehicles. The
i-banker dork commuting in his Land Rover on the expressway should be
publicly ridiculed for the wasteful/ignorant person that he is. The soccer
mom driving little Timmy to soccer practice in the Chevy Suburban needs to
be publicly ridiculed for the wasteful/ignorant person that she is. The more
these people have to deal with embarrassing situations, the less inclined
they'll be to purchase that type of vehicle next time.

The Japanese are doing a way better job of preparing their product lines for
when these people finally get it.
http://www.toyota.com/about/environment/

The US car companies have projects going on as well, but they seem to be
more just for show. Most of the current fuel efficient US cars are just
japanese cars with an american logo on them. For instance the Chevy Prizm is
just a Toyota Corolla.

Adam.



> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 7:59 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Alternatives to Oil (Was Re: Letter to the American 
> People (was
> RE: NAACP & KKK join force s))
> 
> 
> >
> >
> >Surely its more down t the car manufacturers and oil 
> companies rather than
> >the consumer. I would imagine that the oil companies, and 
> indeed President
> >Bush, have a vested interest in NOT seeing alternative 
> sources of energy
> >take off.
> >  
> >
> Show me an engine that will work as well as a gas powered one 
> in Western 
> New York (and other inclement) that isn't going to cost me more than 
> $5000 to buy in a vehicle and I might consider switching personally.
> 
> Find an alternative engine that can produce the power needed 
> to haul a 
> decent load (say a trailer with 4 horses or a flatbed full of bricks) 
> and that might be interesting to more people.
> 
> Find something that can efficiently and effectively power a tractor 
> trailer with a full load and that would really make an impact.
> 
> I've looked into alternative energy cars since I have a 45 
> mile commute. 
>  I ended up getting a used Nissan Sentra since I'm running on a tight 
> budget, which gets good mileage.  The Prius and others like 
> it get good 
> mileage but IIRC don't get good ratings in bad weather and I couldn't 
> afford the $12k sticker.
> 
> You fail to understand a market driven concept.  Consumers 
> have a demand 
> that companies fill.  The Government regulates to an extent, 
> but in the 
> end it boils down to one question:  Will the potential 
> Consumer base buy 
> the product at the price that it costs to make the item plus the 
> required markups?
> 
> Yes, you have to have markups... how do you think employees get paid? 
>  How do you think the lights and heat stay on?
> 
> I'd love to see a competitive market when it comes to engines and 
> vehicular power plants, but beyond the conceptualization 
> nothing that is 
> truly market viable has been introduced.  
> 
> Also, as a whole we're not being really fair.  The Model-T 
> came out in 
> the early 1900's... and it took something on the order of 30 
> years for 
> them to really become a part of the American lifestyle.  Alternative 
> energies are brand spanking new.  Give the technology some time to 
> stabilize and we might see the same thing there.
> 
> As for the government (read Republican) interest in oil, a 
> quick search 
> found this:
> http://www.afdc.doe.gov/documents/altfuelnews/3_3hill.html
> http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/tax_afv.shtml
> http://www.afdc.doe.gov/whatsnew.shtml
> 
> Hatton
> 
> 
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