I have a longish reply that I wrote, but for some reason my mail server won't let it out. I tried to post it through the web interface but it didn't seem to take either, any suggestions?
Tim -----Original Message----- From: Brendan Avery [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 8:13 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: L.Ron Hubbard WAS Re: Me as Ayn Rand? my issue isn't with the leaders of industry, tim -- the process and environment is already there to be used by whosoever can come along and make use of it. my issue is with the people who promote the status quo and capitalism as a "natural order" or "the noblest" way as ayn rand does. i don't know what "feel good" socialist drivel you're referring to. do you think noam chomsky is "feel good" drivel? or are you referring to the world of fiction ala ayn rand? the fact is that corporate capitalism is a dead end and ayn rand just lauded it. i'm not saying that the whole concept of a meritocracy is bad, but on what merit does capitalism reward already heavily concentrated power? the kind of capitalism actively promoted and envisioned by ayn rand results in little less than eventual economic totalitarianism, which i find ironic, considering that totalitarianism was what she claimed to be against. you speak of free markets -- <I>i</I> love <I>that</I> term. the problem with concentrated capital in the real world is that it buys the power to ensure that the political sphere subsidizes monopoly interests. it warps things to it's own end. i'm not saying that communist totalitarianism is any better-- in fact i think in many ways it's much worse -- but then again, you can't give USSR as an example of what communism is any more than you can give america as an example for what a democracy is. hunkering down in anticipation of the impending flame wars... ;P ack- time to get back to work. brendan avery wage slave for the evil empire On Mon, 16 Dec 2002 07:44:07 -0500, Timothy Heald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > <cf_fixTypo> > <cfset one = 'won'> > </cf_fixTypo> > > -----Original Message----- > From: Timothy Heald Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 7:37 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: L.Ron Hubbard WAS Re: Me as Ayn Rand? > > > Hehe, > Again 2 of my favorite authors. > > "highly exploitative capitalistic self-actualization mythologies" > > As apposed to leftist community based "feel good" socialist drivel? > > Ok, Hubbard should have stuck to being an SF author, and from what I > understand a lot of the scientology phooey was done after his death, > using his name. I believe he was actually already dead when Dianetics had > that big push back in the 90s (or was that the 80s). > > Exploitative. I love that term. How people think guys like Bill Gates > or Donald Trump exploit the common working man. Take the sweat off the > collective brow of the overworked, underpaid, underappreciated worker. > > Guess what, without the leaders of industry that your statement implies > a distaste for, millions of those very same workers would be unemployed. > It is men and women of greatness, in our free and open society that keep > us at the forefront of the worlds economy. I mean seriously, how many of > the people on this very list would be unemployed if not for M$ and Sun? > > Oh well, guess some people are unable to be swayed. > > There was an experiment in controlled and collective economy, several > actually, remember the Soviet Union? China has been forced to free at > least its markets to a significant level, Cuba is a third world hell, as > is most of Vietnam. > > I thought we already one this argument in all rational circles, but then > maybe that's the problem here. > > Any way have a great day. > > Tim ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
