Before I forget, here's the Canadian military's report on the incident. I have not located the recommendations of the Air Force board yet.
larry At 11:25 AM 4/2/2003, you wrote: >I have to back Larry on this one (it's the end of the world as we know >it.........) > >Those guys seriously f-ed up. Their commanders stepped on it too. > >Tim > >-----Original Message----- >From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 11:18 AM >To: CF-Community >Subject: Re: FW: An apology to the U.S....... > > >How about wanton disregard for orders. They were ordered not to launch. The >location was not a combat area, it was a fricking training area for pity's >sake. The pilot who launched the JDAMS was a john wayne type. He ignored 2 >separate orders to checkfire. > >Ordinary incident of friendly fire can almost be understandable the wrong >guy at point X at the wrong time. I read the available reports from both >the investigations - US and Canadian. There were many egregious errors in >the Command and Control System. It isn't a matter of whining, its a matter >of being pissed off at the imcompetence of it. > >larry > >At 10:30 AM 4/2/2003, you wrote: > >ok this is one thing I am annoyed at the whiney ass people who whine when >FF > >happens. > > > >Listen its combat its a mistake it happens you don't throw two good people > >in jail because of it. If 2 Canadians did the same things to Americans we > >would probably cry out and do the same thing. But its not right...combat is > >combat it happens it sucks move on. Unless you do what that 101st prick did > >to his own unit or if he did it to friendlies like the UK etc, then its an > >accident that's terrible. Its a system fault not a personal fault, just >like > >medical mistakes, the majority are faulty system not faulty people. Fix the > >problems with whatever system let a FF incident happen and quit the gosh > >darned bitching and complaining about it. > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 10:23 AM > >Subject: Re: FW: An apology to the U.S....... > > > > > >It it then my what are those ships doing in the Gulf and the Red Sea? Mmy > >my my, they must be on a long pleasure cruise, stopping and searching all > >those nasty middle eastern ship for tickles and grins. Similarly those > >Canadian soldier must just be on a long extended hike in Afghanistan. Just > >like those ones that got bombed by those 2 incompetent pilots. > > > >Yessiree all those soldiers, sailors etc just off on a long vacation. > > > >Pardon my sarcasm as a whole but your response merited it. > > > >At 09:46 AM 4/2/2003, you wrote: > > >Larry, that is BS. > > > > > >Canada as a whole, and the elected Gov in particular, have been _very_ > > >clear in their feelings and participation in this war. > > > > > >If they could (in their own good concience) let us hang by withdrawing > > >their forces in these other areas, I think they would. > > > > > >They are _not_ participating in this war. > > > > > >Unless you are saying that this war = the war on terrorism, then >obviously > > >the Canadians are helping in that bigger war. > > > > > >But at least they are not (like the French and Germans) actively opposing > > >us in this war. > > > > > >Just my opinion, > > >Jerry Johnson > > > > > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/02/03 08:45AM >>> > > >Typically Canadian but very apt. > > > > > >One point that has been pissing me off. I'm hearing whiny complaints by > > >various people in the area about Canada's participation in the Iraqi War. > > >Yes Canadian forces as a whole are not participating. However to set the > > >record straight, there are 7 ships from the Canadian navy in the region > > >(the Red Sea and the Gulf) participating in the anti-terrorism patrols - > > >freeing up US navy assets btw. There is also another Canadian battalion >is > > >heading over to Afghanistan, while special operations units, such as the > > >JTF2 are also working with US forces in that theater. > > > > > >So do me a favour, cut the bs about Canada's non-participation. > > > > > >larry > > > > > >At 05:11 AM 4/2/2003 +0000, you wrote: > > > >Cute. Very cute. > > > >And quite smug. > > > >I enjoyed it, even while feeling insulted. > > > >:-) > > > > > > > >-Ben > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Came across this today, written by Rick Mercer: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >On behalf of Canadians everywhere I'd like to offer an apology >to > > > > > > >the United States of America. We haven't been getting along very > > > > > > >well recently and for that, I am truly sorry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I'm sorry we called George Bush a moron. He is a moron but, it > > > > > > >wasn't nice of us to point it out. If it's any consolation, the > >fact > > > > > > >that he's a moron shouldn't reflect poorly on the people of > >America. > > > > > > >After all it's not like you actually elected him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I'm sorry about our softwood lumber. Just because we have more > >trees > > > > > > >than you doesn't give us the right to sell you lumber that's > >cheaper > > > > > > >and better than your own. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I'm sorry we beat you in Olympic hockey. In our defense I guess > >our > > > > > > >excuse would be that our teams were much, much, much, much >better > > > > > > >than yours. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I'm sorry we burnt down your white house during the war of 1812. >I > > > > > > >notice you've rebuilt it! It's Very Nice. I'm sorry about your > > > > > > >beer. I know we had nothing to do with your beer but, we Feel >your > > > > > > >Pain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I'm sorry about our waffling on Iraq. I mean, when you're going > > > > > > >up against a crazed dictator, you wanna have your friends by >your > > > > > > >side. I realize it took more than two years before you guys > >pitched > > > > > > >in against Hitler, But that was different. Everyone knew he had > > > > > > >weapons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >And finally on behalf of all Canadians, I'm sorry that we > > > > > > >are constantly apologizing for things in a passive aggressive >way > > > > > > >which is really a thinly veiled criticism. I sincerely hope that > > > > > > >you're not upset over this. We've seen what you do to countries > >you > > > > > > >get upset with. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89 70.5
