> And unless you have ever been credibly threatened and truly feared for your life, you can never > understand the associated trauma.
Does a pistol to one's head in a bar fight count? If so I have, and I do. If not, then I'll refrain from further comment. will ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 2:02 PM Subject: Re: MENTALLY ILL MAN MAY REFUSE TREATMENT, COURT RULES > A court of law apparently thought so. > > There are threats, and then there are really scary threats that you _have_ to take seriously. > > His seem to have fallen in the latter category. > > And unless you have ever been credibly threatened and truly feared for your life, you can never understand the associated trauma. > > (As I type this, my hands are shaking and I am having trouble breathing - and its been 12 years!) > > Jerry Johnson > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/06/03 04:36PM >>> > uttering death threats == physical violence? > > will > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jerry Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 1:22 PM > Subject: Re: MENTALLY ILL MAN MAY REFUSE TREATMENT, COURT RULES > > > > You must have missed this paragraph: > > > > Five years ago, he was admitted to the Centre for Addiction and Mental > Health in Toronto after a court found him not criminally responsible on two > charges of uttering death threats. > > > > Jerry Johnson > > > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/06/03 03:43PM >>> > > The big if, is whether or not he is a danger, and the article never > > states that he has been violent in the past. > > > > That a man who has demonstrated the fact that he can and is a benefit > > to society, and hasn't demonstrated the opposite is viewed as insane > > and must be locked away from the rest of society is incredibly hard to > > comprehend to me. > > The only proof we have of any wrongdoing on his part is the word of > > his mother who is willing to tell random media that her sons life is > > over because they can't sedate him. She sounds like the nutty one to > > me. > > > > -- > > jon > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Friday, June 6, 2003, 3:09:58 PM, you wrote: > > JJ> But he has a history of dangerous threats (at the very least). > > > > JJ> As long as they keep him locked up if he doesn't take his meds, then I > think it is fine. > > > > JJ> If the hospital needs to physically restrain him because he gets > violent, again fine. Its on him. > > > > JJ> But he can't be let out into society without meds when he has been > found not responsible for violent acts due to a mental illness or defect. > > > > JJ> If he refuses to take the medications that will render him less > dangerous to the society at large, then he stays in a cage. > > > > JJ> Thats my feelings on this one. > > > > JJ> Jerry Johnson > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/06/03 02:48PM >>> > > JJ> well the troubling thing is that if they HAD ruled that he was better > off > > JJ> then where would you draw the line? Most people would be happier if > you > > JJ> made them take Valium. There would certainly be less political > > JJ> dissension... you see where I am going with this. Speaking of which, i > just > > JJ> noticed the other day that there now really is a drug called soma. > > > > JJ> Larry C. Lyons writes: > > > > >> At 06:07 PM 6/6/2003 +0000, Dana Tierney wrote: > > >> >http://cbc.ca/stories/2003/06/06/starson030606 > > >> > > >> I got the article again. Here the text of it: > > >> > > >> Mentally ill man may refuse treatment, court rules > > >> Last Updated Fri, 06 Jun 2003 13:21:08 > > >> OTTAWA - In a case reminiscent of the Hollywood movie A Beautiful Mind, > the > > >> Supreme Court of Canada has ruled that a mentally ill physics genius > has > > >> the right to refuse treatment for his condition. > > >> > > >> In its ruling Friday, the court said that 47-year-old Scott Starson > does > > >> not have to take the medication that doctors want to give him. > > >> > > >> But the decision does not necessarily affect treatment of other > mentally > > >> ill people. > > >> > > >> With no formal training, Starson has written for academic journals on > > >> topics such as anti-gravity, the theory of relativity and time > measurement. > > >> > > >> But he suffers from a condition combining the symptoms of schizophrenia > and > > >> manic depression, which causes erratic and sometimes threatening > behaviour. > > >> > > >> Five years ago, he was admitted to the Centre for Addiction and Mental > > >> Health in Toronto after a court found him not criminally responsible on > two > > >> charges of uttering death threats. > > >> > > >> Refused treatment > > >> > > >> His psychiatrist, Dr. Paul Posner, proposed treating Starson with > > >> anti-psychotic drugs and physical restraints, but Starson has refused > > >> medication, saying it slowed down his thought processes. > > >> > > >> A medical review board ruled that Starson was not capable of making a > > >> decision about his medication, but that decision was overturned by the > > >> Ontario Superior Court of Justice in 1999. > > >> > > >> The case then went to the Supreme Court of Canada. > > >> > > >> In its ruling Friday, the court said there were errors in the way the > case > > >> was handled. > > >> > > >> Starson is currently in a psychiatric hospital in Ottawa with no > prospect > > >> of being released. > > >> > > >> His mother, Jeanne Stevens, told CBC NewsWorld on Friday that the > decision > > >> effectively ruins her son's life. > > >> > > >> She says medication would have taken away his erratic behaviour and > allowed > > >> him to work again and live in the community. > > >> > > >> "I'm devastated and I truthfully believe that the Supreme Court did not > > >> have sufficient information," she said. "It's the end of his life." > > >> > > >> The case has parallels with A Beautiful Mind, in which Russell Crowe > plays > > >> John Forbes Nash, a mathematics genius who suffers from schizophrenia. > > >> > > >> In 1994, Nash won the Nobel Prize in Economic Science for his earlier > work > > >> on game theory. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > JJ> > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
