I think the question Erika brings up is do we _need_ css/xhtml/layer based design? Sure they might be nice, but I've built some pretty nice sites without them.
Also, I think that some of the reactions may be blown out of proportion based on the original quote. Here's what was said: "As part of the OS, IE will continue to evolve, but there will be no future standalone installations. IE6 SP1 is the final standalone installation.... Legacy OSes have reached their zenith with the addition of IE 6 SP1. Further improvements to IE will require enhancements to the underlying OS." Okay, so where there does it say that IE 6 will not be improved on XP? It doesn't. By my reading, it says that there will be no new development from MS for browsers on 95/98(se)/ME/2000. But XP is not a legacy OS. It is the current OS and it includes IE6 as part of the OS. And I'm willing to bet it will have another Service Pack or two. So when Office 11 comes out with all sorts of XML and MS wants to really leverage it, they'll likely do a XP service pack that improves probably a lot of the features that you list. If everyone switched to Moz, Firebird, or Opera I'd make sure my sites worked with those browsers and use their features. Right now, most of my users use IE so I design primarily for that. (Actually, by our last inventory, 59% of our users have IE5.x. We're doing another inventory soon. Should be interesting to see how that goes.) -Kevin > -----Original Message----- > From: jon hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 12:28 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: IE6 is the new NS4 > > > Sure, IE6 is the most popular browser, all apps have to be > compatible with it, and are...today. The problem is that it's > damn buggy even today, holding up the long awaited move from > table based designs to css based ones, and from html4 to > xhtml. What about stuff like xforms? Dead in the water. > > What features are so despicable? How about what bugs are so > crippling? I already mentioned the completely fubared box > model. It's nearly impossible to shoehorn IE6 into > understanding a css/xhtml/layer based design on a budget. > Sure there are hacks, my own personal one is putting a > in front of the doctype, setting IE6 into backwards > compatible mode and moving forward with the better browsers. > Anyone else noticed the fact that the IE6 Post SP1 update > actually introduces not-insignificant rendering changes? They > actually fixed a well known bug that caused an elements > detected height to be doubled under certain circumstances and > didn't tell anyone. So now we have to test for multiple > versions of IE6 alone in scripts! > > Where do I want to go? In a perfect world, people would > abandon MS, and go with Moz, Opera, and maybe even Safari. In > reality, Flash is the only option for me as I see it, as I > want to see progress, and not be stuck on a dead end platform. > > -- > jon > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Tuesday, June 3, 2003, 12:48:06 PM, you wrote: > ELWA> While I agree this may suck ... Do not lose track of > the fact that > ELWA> we develop for a world-wide audience and more often than not a > ELWA> CLIENT or BOSS pays us to do so. And if over half of > the users on > ELWA> the planet are using IE6 or some form thereof ... And I > will still > ELWA> get paid the same amount of money to make my apps IE6 > complaint, > ELWA> then a-developing-for-IE-I-Will-Go. > > ELWA> I mean, where do you really want to be? > ELWA> What are your goals if it is not to build web apps > usable by the > ELWA> majority of users in the world? > > ELWA> Because fighting the browser war seems to be a bit of a losing > ELWA> place to me. > > ELWA> Sure Opera is great. I like Opera. Our apps work on Opera. They > ELWA> work in Moz. They even work in Netscape 6 and IE 5 on a > mac and IE > ELWA> 6. w00t! > > ELWA> What features of IE 6 are so despicable that you can't > code apps > ELWA> to work on it? Are those features so life illuminating > that they > ELWA> must be used? > > ELWA> It musn't be very important if 57% (200,600,563) of 350,808,318 > ELWA> Visitors during the month of April 2003 to websites running > ELWA> www.thecounter.com 's counter app use IE6, a number that has > ELWA> pretty much been the same for a long time. > > ELWA> For a full browser line-up for the month of April: > ELWA> http://www.thecounter.com/stats/2003/April/browser.php > > ELWA> But as always to each their own ... :) > > > ELWA> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
