tim, i find it very unfair and unpopular for you to say that the world should not be run by second rate countries in the form of a hegemony.
also, we should nationalize the reese's corporation so we can all eat white chocolate and processed peanut butter fat instead of relying on capitalist 'fat cats' whom only sell them as they see fit. --d. -----Original Message----- From: Heald, Tim Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 2:01 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: US threatens Caribbean Countries Have you ever read the soviet union's constitution? Very reasonable. I am sorry but giving prosecutorial ability to the UN would be madness. The majority of member states are hostile to the US. That would make no sense at all, anymore than I could see China or England or any other world player wanting to do so. Tim -----Original Message----- From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 1:48 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: US threatens Caribbean Countries Have you looked at the provisions governing the ICC, they are very strong protections against any politically motivated prosecutions from their faq: 13. When does the Court have jurisdiction over crimes? The Court's jurisdiction is not retroactive. It can only address crimes committed after the entry into force of the Statute, which occurred on 1 July, 2002. From 1 July, 2002, the Court has jurisdiction over nationals of states that have ratified or acceded to the treaty. This automatic jurisdiction represents a major advance in international law as in the past, the acceptance of jurisdiction has, in most cases, been subject to additional State consent. In the case of war crimes, a State, on becoming a party to the Statute, may withdraw its consent for seven years. However, this does not affect the Court's jurisdiction when it is conferred by the Security Council. Matters can be referred to the Court by a State Party to the Rome Statute, by an Independent Prosecutor, and by the UN Security Council. The Court may then exercise its jurisdiction over the matter if either the State in whose territory the crime was committed, or the State of the nationality of the accused, is a party to the Statute. Non-party States may accept the Court's jurisdiction on an ad hoc basis. When a matter is referred by the Security Council, the Court will also have jurisdiction whether or not the State concerned is a party to the Statute. 14. Will the International Criminal Court infringe on the jurisdiction of national courts? No. The International Criminal Court will complement, not supercede, the jurisdiction of national courts. National courts will continue to have priority in investigating and prosecuting crimes within their jurisdiction. Under the principle of complementarity, the International Criminal Court will act only when national courts are unable or unwilling to exercise jurisdiction. If a national court is willing and able to exercise jurisdiction, the International Criminal Court cannot intervene and no nationals of that State can be brought before it. The grounds for admitting a case to the Court are specified in the Statute and the circumstances that govern inability and unwillingness are carefully defined so as to avoid arbitrary decisions. In addition, the accused and interested States, whether they are parties to the Statute or not, may challenge the jurisdiction of the Court or admissibility of the case. They also have a right to appeal any related decision. 15. Will the Court violate international law by having jurisdiction over members of national forces or of peacekeeping missions? Won't this make States unwilling to participate in peacekeeping operations? No. Under existing international law, the State in whose territory genocide, war crimes or crimes against humanity have been committed, or whose nationals are victims of such crimes, has the right to and is often legally obligated to investigate and prosecute persons accused of committing such crimes. The Court's Statute does not violate any principle of treaty law and has not created any entitlements or legal obligations not already existing under international law. The cooperation of a non-party State is purely voluntary and no legal obligation is imposed on a non-party State. The Court's Statute provides for special protection of peacekeepers by including among its punishable crimes intentional attacks against personnel, installations, material units or vehicles involved in humanitarian assistance or peacekeeping missions. Such violations constitute war crimes and, under certain circumstances, also crimes against humanity. The Statute does not otherwise affect existing arrangements with respect to UN peacekeeping missions since troop-contributing countries retain criminal jurisdiction over their members of such missions. (from http://www.iccnow.org/documents/iccbasics/Q&AJuly2002.pdf). Regardless the number of weird hoops and twists that someone would have to go through first in order to get a prosecution is quite impressive. Moreover to do this on trumped up charges, which is what you are referring to, would almost take a miracle. larry At 12:30 PM 7/7/2003 -0400, Nick McClure wrote: >It is not impunity, it is a country with the ability and the will to protect >it citizens from potentially overzealous accusations from countries around >the world. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Angel Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 12:26 PM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: RE: US threatens Caribbean Countries > > > > Therefore the international laws governing genocide and other war crimes > > extends to US military personnel only so far as a US court chooses to > > enforce the laws. > > > > This is exactly what the ICC was meant to combat. > > Impunity. > > > > -Gel > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. 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