Heh... And here I was all ready to fire off a counter-flame. :) Isaac
> Sorry misunderstood. I thought Isaac wanted to go back to > a pre > agricultural state. My bad. > larry > At 08:19 PM 8/6/2003 +0000, Dana Tierney wrote: >>I agree but most adults who like the idea dont manage to >>implement... bit >>much to expect of children >> >>s. isaac dealey writes: >> >> > I suppose ultimately that I don't understand why people >> > can't grow >> their own food -- or just live tribally, you know, >> hunter/gatherer -- >> with the possible exception of being on a small island >> where every square >> meter of land belongs to someone who's unwilling to share >> in which case >> my answer is to ration the land and/or provide those >> without any >> transportation to someplace else... >> > >> > I don't think personally that I'd like to go back to an >> > entirely >> pre-agricultural state, because I suspect it's a lot >> easier to get by and >> have food if you grow it intentionally, but, the fact >> that we're still >> here at all is absolute proof that it can be done if >> necessary. In some >> ways growing your own food is even better than having it >> grown by large >> corporate agro-businesses and shipped hundreds or >> thousands of miles to >> the grocery in big diesel trucks. Personally I'd really >> like to go back >> to living communally and growing our own food at least >> for myself, >> although I don't expect everyone to do that. I certainly >> think that would >> be a step up from a sweat shop. >> > >> > Isaac >> > >> > Original Message ----------------------- >> > If the alternative is starvation most people are >> > willing to work. Be nice >> > if children didnt have to face that choice. >> > >> > William Wheatley writes: >> > >> > > Play devils advocate what about the kids who have to >> > > have a job and >> money in >> > > order to survive for whatever reason? >> > > >> > > I was listening to a piece on npr where a kid was >> > > saying (via translator) >> > > how he needed to work. When the inspector (or >> > > whatever the proper >> title is) >> > > tried to shut the place down he fired the underage >> > > kid who was then >> screwed >> > > since they didn't have the money to pay for food and >> > > such. They also >> talked >> > > about child labor unions so the kids could make good >> > > $$. If there is >> nothing >> > > else for a child to do and they have to work why >> > > should we hold the >> > > children, who WILLINGLY want to work , back and limit >> > > them. There is no >> > > social security in those countries no foster care >> > > what would become >> of them >> > > if they were unable to work and provide for >> > > themselves. >> > > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > From: "s. isaac dealey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 1:31 PM >> > > Subject: RE: RE: What would you do if you won >> > > PowerBall? >> > > >> > > >> > > > How about buying the Gap (or some other large >> > > > US-grown corp) and >> forcing >> > > them to stop actively contributing to sweat shops in >> > > third world >> countries? >> > > > >> > > > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF- >> > > > 8&q=area+code+map >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/audiovideo/programmes/panorama >> /archive/970385.stm >> > > > >> > > > Isaac >> > > > >> > > > Original Message ----------------------- >> > > > OK then I started this so here is mine. >> > > > >> > > > In no particular order (most likely all at once) >> > > > >> > > > - I would open an account for my grandmother to do >> > > > with what she >> wants as >> > > > she has supported me (bailed me out) for most of my >> > > > life. >> > > > - Buy a house on an island and retire with my >> > > > friends and family >> > > > - Maybe a mountain retreat somewhere with a huge >> > > > telescope >> > > > - Visit the Great Wall of China >> > > > - Pay the Russians a million dollars to take me to >> > > > space (maybe :)) >> > > > - College for my kids (this includes some friends >> > > > kids) >> > > > - I would like to buy a huge piece of the rain >> > > > forest that I will never >> > > burn >> > > > or run off the natives. >> > > > - Buy Old Navy and force them to carry cloths for >> > > > everyone. >> > > > >> > > > There is probably more. >> > > > >> > > > Rick Eidson >> > > > >> > > > -----Original Message----- >> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 11:42 AM >> > > > To: CF-Community >> > > > Subject: Re: What would you do if you won >> > > > PowerBall? >> > > > >> > > > off the top, in no particular order: >> > > > >> > > > - keep working until I can pass knowledge on to a >> > > > successor >> > > > - fix up the house, just the way we want it >> > > > (it's "home", so don't want to move to another >> > > > place, maybe just >> expand) >> > > > - buy homes for kids, relatives, friends, so they >> > > > always have a >> roof over >> > > > - donate enough money to a particular charitable >> > > > org (one my Mom worked >> > > > with) >> > > > for them to build a school with her name on it >> > > > - build a homeless shelter w/ job training center >> > > > - open a company to hire the successful grads of >> > > > the job center >> > > > - build an apartment complex to house the workers >> > > > - travel, travel, travel >> > > > - study >> > > > - volunteer >> > > > - pray >> > > > - get really physically fit >> > > > - watch videos >> > > > - sleep late sometimes, then start the day by >> > > > making love >> > > > instead of waking up early to go to work >> > > > >> > > > -Ben >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/news/2382747/ >> > > > > detail.html >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > Rick >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~~~~~~~~~| > Archives: > http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 > Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index. > cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 > Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up > with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. > http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/uns > ubscribe.cfm?user=633.558.5 S. Isaac Dealey 972-490-6624 Team Macromedia Volunteer http://www.macromedia.com/go/team Chief Architect, Tapestry CMS http://products.turnkey.to OnTap IS Opensource http://www.turnkey.to/ontap ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
