roundups of illegals captured in the area, and the Mexicans are promptly
deported, but the non-Mexicans, such as Central and South Americans, Chinese,
and most everyone else are released into the public streets by the INS judges.
All the stories about the country being more secure being put out by the current
administration and the DHS are just more lies.
As long as this country makes a sham of the immigration laws, the interminable
delays in processing legal applicants, and the "Do nothing" attitude about the
illegals, there will be no border security, and thus no protection against the
potential of terrorism. A lot of publicity is being given to the Grand Jury
investigation of the Wal-Mart cleanup crew contractor, but note that most of the
people who were rounded up (and most subsequently released back into the public)
were of European origin. Anyone who sees this maneuver as anything but
political show, has their respective heads in the sand.
It has been obvious for a long time now that the procedures being followed by
the INS, and the procedures being implemented in the name of Airport Security
are mostly for show, and are not meaningful. The US is still just as vulnerable
for a repeat of 9/11 as they were prior to all the billions of dollars thrown at
the problem with little or no effect. The American public is still being duped
by Bush & Co.
An outcry was made about the private security contractors at the airports about
hiring illegal aliens, so the case was made to make all of them Federal
employees. The end result has been the hiring of illegal aliens at higher pay
with benefits.
The original goal of the INS was to ensure that immigrants were financially
responsible and would not be a drag on the welfare system, and now it has
changed to being the purpose of immigration, to take the jobs, medical care,
education and other societal benefits previously reserved for citizens. In
Texas, the State is now even paying college tuition for illegals to attend
college. Guess we have to quit picking on California, huh?
Yes, there was a widely publicized case of a vehicle full of explosives being
intercepted at or near the Western Canadian border, which was supposedly bound
for Los Angeles for a planned attack on La International Airport. There have
been a number of so-called sleeper cells located and identified in Central
Canada, Germany, France, as well as in Michigan and other states in the
Continental US.
The fact remains that Saudi Arabia is still funding the suicide bombers and
their families in Palestine, and little attention is being given to that. Our
Airline flight schools are still accepting middle easterners at about the same
rate as before 9/11. In many cases middle eastern visas are still being granted
by state department clerks without requiring the presence of the applicant,
being arranged by travel agencies. Sure a very few are reviewed by the INS, but
the majority are still not. The communication between government agencies is
still a FUD, with little resolution in sight.
The Administration is still going to solve the unemployment problem by forcing
reservists to be called up for another year of duty in Iraq, and in Afghanistan,
The hunt for Osama has been largely abandoned.
"And the band plays on..............."
Doug
===========</RANT>====
| There is no fence and there are no armed guards -- however if you are
travelling by road there is a checkpoint and you do have to talk to US customs
and immigration. Even on very small roads. At least, this is true along the
Quebec-Vermont border --- due to geography it is almost impossible to cross
to/from Ontario at anything but a major point. There is the Thousand Islands,
the Peace Bridge is Detroit, the Rainbow Bridge (Sarnia?), Sault Ste Marie, and
a couple of points on the far side of Lake Superior (Fort something? Drummond?
It's kinda nowhere on both sides of the border)
|
| Anyway... I suppose you *could* hike overland from Alberta to Montana or
something, but it would be a very arduous journey I think... and the Border
Patrol cruises about 30-50 miles inside the border. I know I often saw them in
Uvalde, and there is a checkpoint north of Las Cruces on I-25.
|
| Actually it's the longest *undefended* border is the usual phrase I think --
not unpatrolled.
|
| Dana
|
| >Excuse me, I meant that Middle-Eastern Terrorists are known to come
| >into the US via Canada. This was publicized on national news shows
| >after 911. Gosh, with this kind of story, if I were a terrorist, I
| >would go through Canada - why would I even take the chance on being
| >taken in at US Customs only to be deported and tortured? The fact
| >that it has a HUGE unpatrolled border with the US makes it a prime
| >entry target. Whether or not you believe it that is a matter of
| >personal choice. I'm sure there's documentation on it where it did
| >happen as well your documentation below.
| >
| >- Matthew Small
| >
| >----- Original Message -----
|
| >From: Dharmesh Goel
|
| >To: CF-Community
|
| >Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:49 AM
|
| >Subject: RE: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
| >
| >
|
| >Hi Mathew,
| >
|
| >I strongly disagree with
| >
|
| >"The publicized fact that is that Middle-Easterners are known to come
| >into the US via Canada."
| >
|
| >This is a case of if a lie is told over and over again, people will
| >start believing it. The last time I checked, borders are manned and
| >controlled by US Immigration and customs at points of entry.
| >
|
| >Here is a discussion on this:
|
| >http://www.cbc.
| >ca/disclosure/archives/documents/030211_blamecanada_buchanan.html
| >
|
| >Another article:
|
| >http://www.herald.ns.ca/stories/2003/01/19/fObserver172.raw.html
| >
|
| >Tons of discussion on this topic out there in cyberspace.
| >
|
| >Some excerpts
|
| >------------------------
|
| >DISCLOSURE: I'm sure you remember this whole incident over the New
| >Year period, where there was this alert that there were five men in
| >the United States.
| >
|
| >BUCHANAN: Mm hmm.
| >
|
| >DISCLOSURE: And reports were that they had come from Canada, somehow
| >related to terrorism.
| >
|
| >BUCHANAN: And it was a hoax.
| >
|
| >DISCLOSURE: And it was a hoax.
| >
|
| >BUCHANAN: Right.
| >
|
| >DISCLOSURE: So, what do you make of that?
| >
|
| >BUCHANAN: Well it was a hoax but [laugh] they probably felt that
| >because it was from Canada it would be believed, is my guess.
| >
|
| >DISCLOSURE: Well is that fair?
| >
|
| >------------------------
|
| >DISCLOSURE: -you've got a situation in this country where you had 19
| >hijackers coming through the front door, now where's the problem?
| >
|
| >BUCHANAN: Well it -Look the- Clearly the United States is the target.
| >And they come into our airports, they come through Canada, they come
| >through Mexico, so let's tighten-
| >
|
| >DISCLOSURE: Well they- who comes through Canada?
| >
|
| >BUCHANAN: Well- Look. We've already been over this, but-
| >
|
| >DISCLOSURE: Who comes through Canada though? Has there been an
| >incident with somebody who comes through-
| >
|
| >BUCHANAN: Well there are many terrorists as you know, so, [laugh] that
| >have been sitting there almost operating freely-
| >
|
| >DISCLOSURE: Well-
| >
|
| >BUCHANAN: -up in Canada.
| >
|
| >DISCLOSURE: Well so you say, but where's the terrorist incidents?
|
| >---------------------
| >
|
| >Dharmesh
| >
|
| >-----Original Message-----
|
| >From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
|
| >Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 1:38 PM
|
| >To: CF-Community
|
| >Subject: Re: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
| >
|
| >The publicized fact that is that Middle-Easterners are known to come
| >into the US via Canada. This is a suspicious situation, plain and
| >simple. I didn't agree with the fact that he was tortured or deported.
| >I said it was suspicious and I believe the right thing to do is to
| >question further. You don't have to give me one, the one taints the
| >other two. I don't like a lot of things going on with this kind of
| >interrogation, but they were right on the money in detaining him for
| >further questioning. Bigoted? How about realistic. Lots of people
| >have been "further questioned" for far less, including myself. I'm a
| >young white southern male.
| >
|
| >- Matt Small
| >
|
| >
|
| >----- Original Message -----
|
| >From: Raymond Camden
|
| >To: CF-Community
|
| >Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 12:37 PM
|
| >Subject: RE: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
| >
|
| >Wow, so you listed 3 facts:
| >
|
| >1) A middle-easterner living in Canada.
| >
|
| >So, is Canada just a bunch of white guys?
| >
|
| >2) Coming back from a Middle-Eastern country.
| >
|
| >So all Middle-Eastern countries are under suspicion now?
| >
|
| >3) Known contact with a terrorist.
| >
|
| >Wasn't he a suspected, not proven terrorist? Wasn't the contact from
|
| >years ago? I can maybe give you this one, but the other two are
| >simply
|
| >wrong. Bigoted at worst.
| >
|
| >-rc
| >
|
| >> -----Original Message-----
|
| >> From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
|
| >> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 11:40 AM
|
| >> To: CF-Community
|
| >> Subject: Re: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
|
| >>
|
| >>
|
| >> A Middle-Easterner living in Canada, coming back from a
|
| >> Middle-Eastern country, known contact with Middle-Eastern
|
| >> terrorists. That's suspicious. I didn't say guilty, I said
|
| >> suspicious.
|
| >>
|
| >> - Matt Small
|
| >>
|
| >> ----- Original Message -----
|
| >> From: Raymond Camden
|
| >> To: CF-Community
|
| >> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 12:22 PM
|
| >> Subject: RE: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
|
| >>
|
| >>
|
| >> > I don't agree with the torture and deportation... but I
|
| >> > stand by the fact that it's a very suspicious scene.
|
| >>
|
| >> Why? You said he was middle eastern flying from a islamic
|
| >> country. Is
|
| >> that something rare? Doesn't this happen thousands of times
|
| >> a day? Is it
|
| >> suspicious to fly home?
|
| >>
|
| >> -ray
|
| >>
|
| >>
|
| >>
|
| >>
| >
| >
|
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