>the end?
Actually at the time (around 600-700AD) there was. Imperial authority
moved east to Constantinople while the every day secular authority
basically went on permanent vacation. All that was essentially left
for social authority was the church. In other words the situation was
similar to what is in Iraq today, many different tribal leaders and a
somewhat diffuse religious authority. Not the nicest situation to
operate in.
larry
>
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 9:36 PM
>To: CF-Community
>Subject: RE: Final thoughts on Gibson
>
>
>Just a comment here, it wasn't the Church, it was the secular
>authorities that destroyed civilization in the late Roman empire. The
>Church did its best like any institution to grab more power in a
>vacuum.
>
>larry
>
>>I took my first communion and confirmation. The only reason they got to me
>>then was because I was young and inexperienced.
>>
>>Funny what I remember is that pagan Ireland kept history and civilization
>>alive when the catholic church plunged Europe into the dark ages. Again,
>>where are you getting your facts from?
>>
>>Open a book. Open your mind.
>>
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>>Web Portfolio Manager
>>Overseas Security Advisory Council
>>U.S. Department of State
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>>The opinions expressed here do not necessarily reflect those of the U.S.
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>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Greg Luce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 8:01 PM
>>To: CF-Community
>>Subject: RE: Final thoughts on Gibson
>>
>>
>>You are such a twit. "especially that bastion of bastard children, rape
>>incest murder and intrigue the Roman Catholic Church." What you're
>>forgetting to mention is that the Catholic church also provided a means
>>for people to evolve and behave civilized for centuries. I see you're on
>>another track. I'm sure it's just that you feel so bad about your
>>behavior that you like to take cheap-shots at an institution that you
>>aren't capable of belonging to.
>>
>>Greg
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Heald, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 7:42 PM
>>To: CF-Community
>>Subject: RE: Final thoughts on Gibson
>>
>>What I find most amusing here is that you come on a list for computer
>>programmers and make a comment like that.
>>
>>
>>You'll find that many of us are very well read on this list. It's
>>actually a sign of a sound mind. One that isn't afraid to hazard
>>thoughts outside the limited scope imposed on us by our parents and
>>communities.
>>
>>
>>As the Catholics on this list can attest, I hold no special dislike of
>>them. You lower my opinion of you and your church with the words you
>>use, and the venom one detects emanating from them.
>>
>>
>>You come on a list run by a well known religious Jew and proceed to
>>speak negatively about his religion, and when we point out that none is
>>truly innocent, especially that bastion of bastard children, rape incest
>>murder and intrigue the Roman Catholic Church.
>>
>>
>>I do want to say this. Mike Haggerty, I know you are catholic, and I
>>don't seriously have a problem with it, as much as I do with this twit.
>>I say that because I like you a lot and would hate to have you
>>misinterpret my intent. I probably don't need to say any of this, as I
> >know you are well read and know the history of the organization.
>>
>>
>>Greg, don't email me off list. Ever.
>>
>>--
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>>Web Portfolio Manager
>>Overseas Security Advisory Council
>>U.S. Department of State
>>571.345.2319
>>
>>The opinions expressed here do not necessarily reflect those of the U.S.
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>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Greg Luce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 7:28 PM
>>To: CF-Community
>>Subject: RE: Final thoughts on Gibson
>>
>>OK you rediculous fool. Greg is a catholic. And all the catholics I know
>>are nice people. This ludicrous berating of the catholic church just
>>because you were nerdy enough to actually READ a history book is just
>>dumb.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Heald, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 7:02 PM
>>To: CF-Community
>>Subject: RE: Final thoughts on Gibson
>>
>>Yeah great guys.
>>
>>Greg appears either to be a revisionist or an apologist.
>>
>>Either way it's pretty much condoning evil acts.
>>
>>--
>>Timothy Heald
>>Web Portfolio Manager
>>Overseas Security Advisory Council
>>U.S. Department of State
>>571.345.2319
>>
>>The opinions expressed here do not necessarily reflect those of the U.S.
>>Department of State or any affiliated organization(s). Nor have these
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>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Ben Braver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 6:57 PM
>>To: CF-Community
>>Subject: Re: Final thoughts on Gibson
>>
>><cf_sarcasm>
>>
>>y'mean the same nice folks responsible for the Inquisition?
>>The ones who forced Jews to convert on pain of death?
>>And evicted all the rest in 1492?
>>Gee, what SWELL folks !!
>>
>></cf_sarcasm>
>>
>>-Ben
>>
>>>Also lets remember who ran through them, the Spanish Catholics.
>>>
>>>
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>>>Timothy Heald
>>>Web Portfolio Manager
>>>Overseas Security Advisory Council
>>>U.S. Department of State
>>>571.345.2319
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>>>The opinions expressed here do not necessarily reflect those of the
>>>U.S. Department of State or any affiliated organization(s). Nor have
>>>these opinions been approved or sanctioned by these organizations. This
>>
>>>e-mail is unclassified based on the definitions in E.O. 12958.
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 4:45 PM
>>>To: CF-Community
>>>Subject: Re: Final thoughts on Gibson
>>>
>>>
>>>Actually, they ripped out hearts as sacrifices to their gods to keep
>>>the world alive. As some of the sacrifices were willing, it wasn't
>>>really a disagreement thing. Gruesome none the less.
>>>
>>>> Um the Aztecs. They had a thing for ripping the hearts out of those
>>>> that disagreed with their religion.
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