> The list she talks about is needed. She also has another point no one > has picked up on, What about us HAVING A UNION. The all contracts > would go thru the Union anynone not paying would be sued by the Union. > Programmer would not need to come up with $2000 just to get back > $2500. Instead they could pay 120 a year or $10 a Month to belong to > a "National Technology Workers Union" that would have attorneys on > staff would could deal with this mess,
Discussions like this always make me a bit uneasy, partly because I tend to be "the odd man out" in conversations in general. Which makes it tough for me to throw my hat in the ring on really controversial subjects. Putting aside the current laws on the subject, I would like to comment about public opinion and people's perception. The mention of a union for IT workers actually reminds me of things I've read or heard about the creation of the Screen Actors Guild. Many of the reasons IT professionals cite for feeling exploited are similar in theme if not in scope to the reasons actors felt exploited prior to 1937 when producers finally agreed to negotiate with SAG. But in order for them to get to that point they had to start bitching in 1925, over a decade before hand. And I say bitching as no disrespect to the actors -- it was absolutely necessary that they "bitch", loud, often and public. It's not just on contract jobs either, but on full-time gigs. How many companies demand more than 40hrs per week arbitrarily? I saw one company in Texas that was ballzy enough to state 50+hr weeks in their job ad. That's an extreme. How about keeping people on call and then insisting that time spent working on call is not included in your 40hr week? How many companies refuse to hire any kind of QA team in favor of using the lack of QA as an excuse to make their programmers feel like shit for the slightest mistake? What amounts to an excuse to make them feel like shit for being human. Since they can be guaranteed that the programmers will make mistakes, they can be guaranteed that they'll have their excuse for berating them, so there's a constant steady stream of psychological abuse from management and imo in many cases it's deliberate. There's mention in Alan Cooper's book the Inmates Are Running the Asylum of one of the early and influential IT managers who admitted to a strategy of deliberately underestimating deadlines at roughly 50% of the anticipated timeline for the express purpose of riding his programmers like a jockey so that he could perpetually whip them into a frenzy with comments about how they were behind schedule. And this guy was very influential in the early days. Anyone want to guess why so few companies have realistic deadlines in the software industry today? I'm convinced honestly that things would be much worse for us if it weren't for the fact that basic labor laws have improved so much since 1933 when SAG was first formed. Were it not for the fact that there's a limit to how much companies can get away with pushing the work hours laws here, we would probably be faced with something much more like the MMORPG sweat shops in China or the much more exploitive contracts of movie houses prior to 1937. The fact that our situation is better than theirs doesn't make our situation reasonable, it just makes it not as bad. There is no viable justification for continued psychological abuse and fiscal exploitation (which imo are pretty closely related). A large part of the reason we put up with it is because we're conditioned to accept an unacceptable situation. Programmers given a continued stream of psychological abuse from their managers over time learn to believe that problems with the software are their fault, not the fault of the company for refusing to hire QA. And then they start flogging themselves on the company's behalf -- it just makes the manager's "job" of abusing them that much easier. I've done it. I've seen other programmers do it. It's a well known phenomenon that abused people learn to expect the abuse and then to justify it themselves. It happens with battered women, etc. And it happens to programmers pretty much daily. So by the time any of us strays from the standard response of "get it off your chest in private, get over it and move on", the rest of us who are still compliant automatically perceive whatever they have to say as being indicative that there's something wrong with the person who's complaining about the abuse, rather than being able to consider that there might actually be abuse going on. The abuse has effectively become invisibile to the abused. So although a statement like "if several companies failed to pay you, then that's got to be a problem with you" might seem rational, it only seems that way. Without being intimately familiar with the specifics, usually from the perspective of an impartial 3rd party, it's virtually impossible to make that assessment with any veracity. It could be that a person who charges very little for their services ends up frequently subject to a poor perception of him and his work quality, i.e. that the people hiring him are frequently hiring him because "he's cheap" with the expectation that they can get away with exploiting him because "he's cheap". Conversely, different types of abuse might be more common amongst people who are paid higher amounts, with the perception that "he can take the abuse, I pay him well enough". Frequently even the "impartial 3rd party" can't be trusted, as judges will often simply side with whomever the culture perceives to be "in the right", irrespective of the facts. Five minutes looking at a few family-law cases is all the proof you need that judges are equally susceptible to cultural illusions. So the judge might be equally as apt to side with the "several people didn't pay you -- it must be your fault" assessment, purely on the basis of it being a popular opinion, irrespective of the facts. I guess ultimately what I'm saying is if you find yourself reaading complaints from someone else and saying "oh he's just bitter", it might be beneficial to take a few minutes and try and get in touch with a different headspace. He might "just be bitter" -- on the other hand, he might just be pointing out a situation where as has been the case repeatedly throughout history, abuse of a certain class of people is the accepted norm. -- s. isaac dealey ^ new epoch isn't it time for a change? ph: 503.236.3691 http://onTap.riaforge.org/blog ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:3624 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11