>> i hate to pound the drum that i always do, but i have to point out
>> something.
 
>> when people deride college, saying "it doesn't teach what i get paid to 
do",
>> i must disagree rather strongly.  college is not where you go to get job
>> training.  that's vo-tech/training classes.  college teaches you how to
>> solve problems, and how to think about problems.
 
>> i agree that nothing i get paid to do now came directly from my classes.
>> however, the theory i learned in them, (what is a while loop?  why would 
you
>> use that instead of a do...until loop?  what is an associative array, and
>> why is it better/worse than an array, and in what situations?) has provided
>> me with more of a complete background as to how to program, rather than how
>> to program in cold fusion.
 
Yes, most of us learned that in college, but I learned the basics of 
programming back in high school.  The only thing college really taught me was 
some OOP with C++.   And oh yea..., that's going to be usefull.  I'm not 
going to get a C++ job part time anywhere, and I'll probably only get some 
entry level job once I graduate.  

The only thing it will be usefull for is mastering Java, and other languages. 
 So yea, college did teach me something usefull.  But nothing a couple of 
month training courses couldn't do.  Face it, most of us go to college to get 
that little piece of paper that says you're worth something.  And even that 
piece of paper is not worth much without experience.  But it will get you an 
entry level job somewhere.  And it will help you get promotions, etc later on 
in life.  But as far as teaching you something  --  college isn't what it 
used to be.  

>> i am not putting down training classes. they are invaluable.  however, i
>> find that they are much easier to get one's money from if there is a
>> background in the theory of what they are teaching.
  
Well I think I could've went and taken some training classes right after high 
school (I've had enough theory) and get a decent job somewhere.  A lot of my 
friends did that, and I'm waiting to see how it turns out for them.  But 
there are a couple of problems with that for me.  

1.  It would cost me more (I got a full scholarship to college)
2.  A dimploma is an extra card that you have to play when you're getting 
considered for a job or a promotion.  

That's my $0.02

Russ

P.S.  My projects have been slow lately.  If anyone has some telecommuting 
work for me, or some out of the office work in NYC (even full time flexible 
hours), I'm available.  

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