I agree with Bret. I was a member of the original CFUG (anyone remember
that???). The last meeting of the original CFUG there were exactly three
people there: me, Aleks (who came with me), and Ron Ramphal (who was there
because he was hosting the meeting). The pattern like we are seeing now had
appeared before that final meeting: unorganization, sagging attendance, no
set schedule, no focus, etc. I personally haven't been to a current CFUG
meeting for several months just because I haven't felt it was worth the time
to drive to UMKC (I am in Gardner).
I felt the best meetings I went to were the ones when Ron Hornbaker was
running the show by himself. There was structure and a topic we could look
forward to. Scott Beach also did an excellent job, but he moved to another
part of the country.
If we started planning for the next meeting well in advance, have a main
topic, start and end on time, limit outside talking and discussion, and have
someone to moderate and keep things moving, everyone might be more
interested in participate. I personally have no interest in doing a group
project, I have no extra time. I also don't have time to be the moderator or
event chairman, hopefully someone can step into that role and be successful.
There are only two reasons I come to the meetings: 1. To learn something I
didn't already know and 2. To network with other KC CF programmers. Never
know when I might need a new job!
Jason Nokes, Director of Web Development
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-----Original Message-----
From: Bret Hedenkamp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 1:42 PM
To: JamieTieman
Subject: RE: [KCFusion] Newbie's Unite
I am wholeheartedly behind those sentiments. However, I am not even
qualified to be a newbie yet.
I will say that of the three KCCFUG meetings that I have gone to (and it has
been over 6 months) there was a trend (can you ascertain a trend after 3
meetings ?). Typically, the meetings took a long time to get under way and
proceeded along with little focus and the level of discussion was very
stratospheric. I have noticed through the list serve that topics still are
not well planned out in advance.
I am just an interested observer still at this point, and unfortunately this
is the only useful input I can provide - for now.
Bret
===== Original Message from JamieTieman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> at 1/10/01
1:18 pm
>After the meeting last night most of you realize that I have no problem
>trying to represent the individuals new to CF. So, if Roger wants to build
>NASA a program to monitor the burn rate of the Shuttles solid rocket
>booster, fantastic. There really are Rocket Scientist. It's the RS that
we
>need at the CFUG to get us over the hump and into Programming Land. I am
>impressed by that level of knowledge and it is probably where most of us
>would like to be someday. But let's face facts, most new CF people don't
>have the time or money to go to Atlanta or Boston and learn what's in the
>manuals. We can all read!!! It is the application of that information
>that we desire. The CFUG has the potential, no the responsibility, to
bring
>the CF community (new and old) together. Besides, the price is right! If
>you agree or disagree, that's cool, just respond and let's wake up the list
>to the fact that we are out here. Bret, waste some space and let us know
>what you think, too.
>
>Jamie
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