Just my two cents
We have found that Cold fusion is more scalable and more importantly leads
itself to better modular coding. As a result of this we can easily reuse
coldfusion templates from project to project. This has reduced the cold
fusion cost for us. We are getting jobs now where we are rewriting ASP
applications to Cold Fusion.
jw
----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith Purtell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 9:32 AM
Subject: RE: [KCFusion] CF cost savings table
> I'm not planning to flame you! In fact some of your comments could be used
> in association with the table, to clarify the issue. I think the 40
percent
> time savings does apply to certain organizations, hence the table would be
> useful. However, as you pointed out, this does not apply universally.
Anyone
> considering ColdFusion needs to know which category the are in. Thanks!
>
> Keith Purtell, Web/Network Administrator
> VantageMed Operations (Kansas City)
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
> Behalf Of Ron Hornbaker
> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 10:41 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [KCFusion] CF cost savings table
>
>
> After developing with both CF (3.5 years) and ASP (1.5 years), I'm not
> sure I agree with the 40% faster statistic, especially at the $60K/yr
> developer level. IMHO, CF is faster only for someone coming from an HTML
> background, with little or no "real" programming experience. For the more
> advanced developer, perhaps coming from a VB background (there's a lot of
> 'em, though I'm not one), I really doubt if there's much difference in
> coding time, once familiarity with the tool is attained. The "more lines
> of code in ASP" argument doesn't make sense to me, either, since most of
> the object-creation stuff is boilerplate and just pasted in from a
> personal code library by an experienced coder.
>
> The two most important points of comparison between CF and ASP for me are:
>
> 1) CF abstracts the code to a higher level, hiding levels of complexity
> that basic applications rarely need to adjust. This is good up to a point,
> but when you cross over into advanced, or "unusual" applications,
> sometimes it's nice to have the lower-level code access of ASP. In
> particular, integrating COM objects into n-tier applications just seems go
> more smoothly in ASP.
>
> 2) The cost of CF is neglible for in-house development, as you've pointed
> out. Even if CF took 40% LONGER to develop in, its cost shouldn't be a
> factor for intranets, proprietary business applications, etc., because
> relative to the costs of salaries, CF's cost is negligible. But when you
> start thinking about SELLING an application to the rest of the world, the
> ubiquity and freeness of ASP becomes critical. I'm speaking from a very
> biased viewpoint, since our customer base consists of around 1,600 small
> to medium ISPs, but if we were to try to sell them an application based on
> CF, perhaps 2% would buy it. ALL of them can run ASP, and even the ones
> who already have CF are willing to buy ASP apps.
>
> My $0.02, flame away... :)
> Ron
>
>
> Ron Hornbaker
> President/CTO
> Humankind Systems, Inc.
> http://humankindsystems.com
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
> > Behalf Of Keith Purtell
> > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 9:54 AM
> > To: KCFusion
> > Subject: [KCFusion] CF cost savings table
> >
> >
> > I built the enclosed HTML page and table for internal use to
> > illustrate cost
> > savings using ColdFusion as a rapid development tool. It's a
> > general guide,
> > based on the general consensus among companies using both
> > methods that CF
> > development is about 40 percent faster. I would appreciate your
> > suggestions!
> >
> > Keith Purtell, Web/Network Administrator
> > VantageMed Operations (Kansas City)
> > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >
> >
> > <!DOCTYPE html public "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
> > <HTML><HEAD>
> > <TITLE>Cost savings with rapid Web development</TITLE>
> > <META HTTP-EQUIV="Cache-Control" CONTENT="no-cache">
> > <META HTTP-EQUIV="Pragma" CONTENT="no-cache">
> > <META HTTP-EQUIV="Expires" CONTENT="0">
> > <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">
> > <STYLE TYPE="text/css">
> > TD {font-size: .75em;
> > font-family: Verdana, Arial, sans-serif}
> > </STYLE>
> > </HEAD>
> > <BODY BGCOLOR="#FFFFFF" TOPMARGIN="2" MARGINHEIGHT="2"><DIV
> > ALIGN="center"><CENTER><A NAME="TOP"></A>
> > <H3>Cost savings with rapid Web development</H3>
> >
> > <TABLE WIDTH="100%" BORDER="1" CELLPADDING="2" CELLSPACING="0"
> > ALIGN="center">
> > <TR BGCOLOR="#EEEEEE"><TD ALIGN="center" COLSPAN="8" CLASS="PL1"><B>Web
> > development costs</B></TD></TR>
> > <TR><TD ALIGN="center" COLSPAN="8"><B>Baseline: ASP Web
> > developer salary of
> > $30,000</B></TD></TR>
> > <TR><TD ALIGN="center" COLSPAN="4" BGCOLOR="#EEEEFF">Blue cell
> > = Pro version
> > (<SPAN CLASS="MIN1">P</SPAN>) of CF paid for</TD>
> > <TD ALIGN="center" COLSPAN="4" BGCOLOR="#FFEEEE">Pink cell = Enterprise
> > version (<SPAN CLASS="MIN1">E</SPAN>) paid for</TD></TR>
> >
> > <TR><TD ALIGN="center"> </TD><TD ALIGN="center"> </TD>
> > <TD ALIGN="center">2 weeks</TD><TD ALIGN="center">1 month</TD>
> > <TD ALIGN="center">3 months</TD><TD ALIGN="center">6 months</TD>
> > <TD ALIGN="center">1 year</TD><TD ALIGN="center">3 years</TD></TR>
> >
> > <TR><TD ALIGN="center">ColdFusion (Macromedia)</TD><TD ALIGN="center"
> > NOWRAP>1 developer</TD>
> > <TD ALIGN="center">$750</TD><TD ALIGN="center">$1,500</TD>
> > <TD ALIGN="center" BGCOLOR="#EEEEFF">$4,500<SUP
> > CLASS="MIN1">P</SUP></TD><TD
> > ALIGN="center" BGCOLOR="#FFEEEE">$9,000<SUP CLASS="MIN1">E</SUP></TD>
> > <TD ALIGN="center">$18,000</TD><TD ALIGN="center">$54,000</TD></TR>
> > <TR><TD ALIGN="center">ASP (Microsoft)</TD><TD ALIGN="center" NOWRAP>1
> > developer</TD>
> > <TD ALIGN="center">$1,250</TD><TD ALIGN="center">$2,500</TD>
> > <TD ALIGN="center">$7,500</TD><TD ALIGN="center">$15,000</TD>
> > <TD ALIGN="center"><B>$30,000</B></TD><TD
> > ALIGN="center">$90,000</TD></TR>
> >
> > <TR><TD ALIGN="center">ColdFusion (Macromedia)</TD><TD ALIGN="center"
> > NOWRAP>5 developers</TD>
> > <TD ALIGN="center" BGCOLOR="#EEEEFF">$3,750<SUP
> > CLASS="MIN1">P</SUP></TD><TD
> > ALIGN="center" BGCOLOR="#FFEEEE">$7,500<SUP CLASS="MIN1">E</SUP></TD>
> > <TD ALIGN="center">$22,500</TD><TD ALIGN="center">$45,000</TD>
> > <TD ALIGN="center">$90,000</TD><TD ALIGN="center">$270,000</TD></TR>
> > <TR><TD ALIGN="center">ASP (Microsoft)</TD><TD ALIGN="center" NOWRAP>5
> > developers</TD>
> > <TD ALIGN="center">$6,250</TD><TD ALIGN="center">$12,500</TD>
> > <TD ALIGN="center">$37,500</TD><TD ALIGN="center">$75,000</TD>
> > <TD ALIGN="center">$150,000</TD><TD ALIGN="center">$450,000</TD></TR>
> >
> > <TR><TD ALIGN="center" COLSPAN="8"> </TD></TR>
> >
> > <TR><TD ALIGN="center" COLSPAN="8"><B>Baseline: ASP Web
> > developer salary of
> > $60,000</B></TD></TR>
> > <TR><TD ALIGN="center" COLSPAN="4" BGCOLOR="#EEEEFF">Blue cell
> > = Pro version
> > (<SPAN CLASS="MIN1">P</SPAN>) of CF paid for</TD>
> > <TD ALIGN="center" COLSPAN="4" BGCOLOR="#FFEEEE">Pink cell = Enterprise
> > version (<SPAN CLASS="MIN1">E</SPAN>) paid for</TD></TR>
> >
> > <TR><TD ALIGN="center"> </TD><TD ALIGN="center"> </TD>
> > <!--- <TD ALIGN="center">2 weeks</TD><TD ALIGN="center">1
> > month</TD> --->
> > <TD ALIGN="center"><I>1 week</I></TD>
> > <TD ALIGN="center"><I>3 weeks</I></TD>
> > <TD ALIGN="center">3 months</TD><TD ALIGN="center">6 months</TD>
> > <TD ALIGN="center">1 year</TD><TD ALIGN="center">3 years</TD></TR>
> >
> > <TR><TD ALIGN="center">ColdFusion (Macromedia)</TD><TD ALIGN="center"
> > NOWRAP>1 developer</TD>
> > <TD ALIGN="center">$750</TD>
> > <TD ALIGN="center" BGCOLOR="#EEEEFF">$2,250<SUP
> > CLASS="MIN1">P</SUP></TD>
> > <TD ALIGN="center" BGCOLOR="#FFEEEE">$9,000<SUP
> > CLASS="MIN1">E</SUP></TD>
> > <TD ALIGN="center">$18,000</TD>
> > <TD ALIGN="center">$36,000</TD>
> > <TD ALIGN="center">$108,000</TD>
> > </TR>
> > <TR><TD ALIGN="center">ASP (Microsoft)</TD><TD ALIGN="center" NOWRAP>1
> > developer</TD>
> > <TD ALIGN="center">$1,250</TD>
> > <TD ALIGN="center">$3,750</TD>
> > <TD ALIGN="center">$15,000</TD>
> > <TD ALIGN="center">$30,000</TD>
> > <TD ALIGN="center"><B>$60,000</B></TD>
> > <TD ALIGN="center">$180,000</TD>
> > </TR>
> >
> > <TR><TD ALIGN="center">ColdFusion (Macromedia)</TD><TD ALIGN="center"
> > NOWRAP>5 developers</TD>
> > <TD ALIGN="center" BGCOLOR="#EEEEFF">$3,750<SUP
> > CLASS="MIN1">P</SUP></TD>
> > <TD ALIGN="center" BGCOLOR="#FFEEEE">$11,250<SUP
> > CLASS="MIN1">E</SUP></TD>
> > <TD ALIGN="center">$45,000</TD>
> > <TD ALIGN="center">$90,000</TD>
> > <TD ALIGN="center">$180,000</TD>
> > <TD ALIGN="center">$540,000</TD>
> > </TR>
> > <TR><TD ALIGN="center">ASP (Microsoft)</TD><TD ALIGN="center" NOWRAP>5
> > developers</TD>
> > <TD ALIGN="center">$6,250</TD>
> > <TD ALIGN="center">$18,750</TD>
> > <TD ALIGN="center">$75,000</TD>
> > <TD ALIGN="center">$150,000</TD>
> > <TD ALIGN="center">$300,000</TD>
> > <TD ALIGN="center">$900,000</TD>
> > </TR>
> >
> > </TABLE>
> >
> > <BR>
> > ColdFusion Server version 5, Professional edition lists for
> > about $1,300<BR>
> > ColdFusion Server version 5, Enterprise edition lists for about
> > $5,000<BR>
> >
> > <BR>
> > <H6>© 2001 VantageMed Corporation</H6>
> > </CENTER></DIV>
> > </BODY>
> > </HTML>
> >
> >
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