Dear Markus, good to hear that you are taking this up as a GAW initiative. Personally I wouldn't have a problem with your suggestion, but I'd like to refer this discussion to the more aerosol-oriented community. Small change (lowercase "mie"). Hence your name would read "volume_scattering_coefficient_in_air_due_to_ambient_aerosol_assuming_mie_scattering"
Cheers, Martin PS: I think it would be appreciated if you can also suggest a definition term (basically summarizing your thoughts from the last email). > -----Original Message----- > From: Markus Fiebig [mailto:markus.fie...@nilu.no] > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 12:24 PM > To: Schultz, Martin; cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu > Cc: Shankar, Uma (ushan...@unc.edu) > Subject: RE: warming up old stuff - part 1: aerosol mie scattering > > Dear Martin, > > thanks for filling me in on the background of this discussion! This must have > happened before I joined the mailing list, and I do need to admit it's a > hassle > to read through the whole archive. > > I do see your point, i.e. that you describe a modelled variable, but I still > think > it is self-contradicting to call the variable extinction coefficient, and then > confine this to aerosol scattering within one and the same variable name. I > actually wouldn't be so concerned if the syntax philosophy didn't conflict > with > the variable names I'm about to propose on behalf of the WMO Global > Atmosphere Watch (GAW) aerosol programme. The names are going to be > of the type "volume_scattering_coefficient_in_air_due_to_dry_aerosol", > which in fact isn't defined yet. > > How about calling your variable > > "volume_scattering_coefficient_in_air_due_to_ambient_aerosol_assuming > _Mie_scattering" ? > > That would avoid the self-contradiction, it would fit into the syntax > philosophy used so far, and it would still express clearly that it is a model > output variable with an underlying assumption. > > Best regards, > Markus > > _______________________________________ > Dr. Markus Fiebig > > Dept. Atmospheric and Climate Research (ATMOS) Norwegian Institute for > Air Research (NILU) P.O. Box 100 > N-2027 Kjeller > Norway > > Tel.: +47 6389-8235 > Fax : +47 6389-8050 > e-mail: markus.fie...@nilu.no > skype: markus.fiebig > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Schultz, Martin [mailto:m.schu...@fz-juelich.de] > Sent: Mittwoch, 7. März 2012 11:16 > To: Markus Fiebig; cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu > Cc: Shankar, Uma (ushan...@unc.edu) > Subject: RE: warming up old stuff - part 1: aerosol mie scattering > > Dear Markus, > > thanks for the thoughtful response. I cc this to Uma Shankar who had > sent me the RSIG (http://badger.epa.gov/rsig/) CMAQ variable list from > where this suggestion originated. CMAQ is of course a model. I don't think it > would hurt to have also standard_names for pure model quantities, but I > agree with you that one may have to phrase and define this more clearly. > The name you propose is already in the list, and the suggestion was to > include a more specific term to denote the specific contribution from Mie > scattering. > > Best regards, > > Martin > > PS: original proposal was > "* How can we get more specific about the "extinction coefficient"? In > particular, we would like to express something like > "..._due_to_Mie_scattering". But does this work with " > volume_extinction_coefficient_in_air_due_to_ambient_aerosol". The new > name would then become > "volume_extinction_coefficient_in_air_due_to_Mie_scattering_of_ambient > _aerosol" ? (and would "Mie" be spelled with "M" or "m"?)" > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Markus Fiebig [mailto:markus.fie...@nilu.no] > > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 9:31 AM > > To: Schultz, Martin; cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu > > Subject: RE: warming up old stuff - part 1: aerosol mie scattering > > > > Dear all, > > > > please excuse if I come in late into this discussion, but I would like > > to make a few comments about the proposed variable name > > > > > "volume_extinction_coefficient_in_air_due_to_mie_scattering_of_ambient > > _aerosol" > > > > As it is written above, the name is self-contradicting. The aerosol > > extinction coefficient is defined to include both, particle scattering > > and absorption. The part of the aerosol extinction coefficient that is > > due to particle scattering is commonly referred to as aerosol > > scattering coefficient. Also, I need to apologise for not having > > followed the discussion concerning the use of the term "mie", but it > > appears rather to confuse than to clarify in the context here. Even > > though the term Mie-particle is colloquially used for a spherical, > > internally well mixed aerosol particle, such a particle exists only in > > theory or in some numerical model. If the variable name is also to be used > for an observed quantity, which I think it should, the term "Mie" should be > avoided. > > > > How about putting this much simpler, and name the property: > > > > "volume_scattering_coefficient_in_air_due_to_ambient_aerosol" > > > > or, to avoid even more confusion: > > > > "volume_scattering_coefficient_at_stp_in_air_due_to_ambient_aerosol" > > > > Regards, > > Markus > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > Dr. Markus Fiebig > > > > Dept. Atmospheric and Climate Research (ATMOS) Norwegian Institute for > > Air Research (NILU) P.O. 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