Tim,

You can use netCDF-4 without "classic" format, but for true, full CF compliance you can't use any new features.

Personal opinion alert!!! The following is just my personal opinion. I'm not trying to stir up trouble. I'm just sharing my observations on my experiences. Please don't hate me.

The official CF community position is that for backwards-compatibility reasons, they would rather not adopt new features unless there is no "good" workaround using the old feature set. Contention can arise over the question of whether you view the workaround as "good" or not, but that seems to be roughly how the thought goes. The CF community also do not view themselves as developers of new features that aren't driven by present needs. They are also interested in maximizing the ability of (sometimes theoretical) existing CF-aware analysis packages to properly handle all CF-compliant files.

In previous conversations I've been given to understand that the effective process for bringing new netCDF features into CF will be for someone to use them in a dataset, doing their best to interpret CF in the light of the new features. If it is a popular dataset, it will push the CF community towards adopting some form of those new features.

In a case where I was developing a new dataset that would have been particularly unwieldy (in my opinion) without groups, I went ahead and used them, applying a hierarchical scope approach to file and group attributes. As my dataset is not likely to be widely used by any analysis packages, it will not likely cause anyone grief or drive the adoption of new netCDF features into CF.

Grace and peace,

Jim

On 9/10/14, 9:53 AM, Timothy Patterson wrote:
Is it correct to say that, although they don't explicitly state it, the CF 
conventions (1.6 and the draft 1.7) restrict compliant netCDF products to be 
either netCDF-3 or netCDF-4 in classic format? There are no conventions for the 
enhanced features such as groups and user-defined types like enumerated 
variables, and Section 2.2, as an example, bars the use of unsigned integer 
variables or string variables (which are even stated not to exist, again 
implying classic-model only).

There are some features of the enhanced model we want to use for our future 
datasets (such as groups) and some features which would make life easier but 
could be worked around if it led to CF compliance (enumerated types, unsigned 
integers, string types, etc.). Are there any plans to introduce conventions for 
the use of these enhanced features at some point in the future or would 
non-classic model datasets always be seen as non-compliant?

Thanks for your insights on this issue!

Regards,

Tim Patterson



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