Dear Daniel and Roy I sent an email yesterday which for some reason disappeared into the void. Please could I request sea_floor_sediment instead of seabed_sediment? That's because we already use sea_floor in several standard names, but not sedbed.
Best wishes Jonathan ----- Forwarded message from Daniel Neumann <daniel.neum...@io-warnemuende.de> ----- > Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 13:31:04 +0200 > From: Daniel Neumann <daniel.neum...@io-warnemuende.de> > To: "cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu" <cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu> > Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] No standard names for element concentrations in > sediment? > User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 > Thunderbird/52.7.0 > > Hi Roy, > > > OK, that's fine. Thanks. > > > Cheers, > > Daniel > > > > On 18.05.2018 13:25, Lowry, Roy K. wrote: > > > >Hi Daniel, > > > > > >Most of the solids in sediment are silicate minerals, quite often > >quartz (silicon dioxide), which would be included in > >'moles_of_silicon' So, I suggest: > > > > > >moles_of_dissolved_inorganic_plus_biogenic_silicon_per_unit_area_in_seabed_sediment > > > >unit: mol/m2 > > > >description: moles_of_X_per_unit_area_in_Y describes the amount of > >X in a column with unity base area of material/compartment Y. > >'Seabed sediment' means particulate matter bound at the sea floor > >including interstitial pore water. Information on the location of > >the interface between water column and sediment can be provided > >via the comment attribute. 'Dissolved inorganic silicon' means the > >sum of all inorganic silicon in solution (including silicic acid > >and its first dissociated anion SiO(OH)3-). 'Biogenic silicon' is > >any silicon compound, usually the mineral opal, produced by > >organisms (e.g. diatom skeletal remains) in solid or colloidal > >form. > > > >Cheers, Roy. > > > > > >I am retiring on 31/05/2018 but will continue to be active through > >an Emeritus Fellowship using this e-mail address. > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >*From:* CF-metadata <cf-metadata-boun...@cgd.ucar.edu> on behalf > >of Daniel Neumann <daniel.neum...@io-warnemuende.de> > >*Sent:* 18 May 2018 10:45 > >*To:* cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu > >*Subject:* Re: [CF-metadata] No standard names for element > >concentrations in sediment? > >Hi, > > > >Thanks for correction. I realized that I need a standard name not > >only for silicate but for biogenic silica plus silicate. I updated > >the proposed name and description as follows: > > > >moles_of_silicon_per_unit_area_in_seabed_sediment > > > >unit: mol/m2 > > > >description: moles_of_X_per_unit_area_in_Y describes the amount of > >X in a column with unity base area of material/compartment Y. > >'Seabed sediment' means particulate matter bound at the sea floor > >including interstitial pore water. Information on the location of > >the interface between water column and sediment can be provided > >via the comment attribute. 'Silicon' summarizes 'dissolved > >inorganic silicon' and 'biogenic silica'. 'Dissolved inorganic > >silicon' means the sum of all inorganic silicon in solution > >(including silicic acid and its first dissociated anion > >SiO(OH)3-). 'Biogenic silica' are biogenic silicon minerals which > >originate from the siliceous skeletal material of dead diatoms and > >other silica-utilizing organisms. > > > > > >Daniel > > > > > >On 18.05.2018 09:47, Lowry, Roy K. wrote: > >> > >>Hi (yet) again, > >> > >> > >>Overnight I remembered a debate on CF about not using'dissolved > >>inorganic silicon' rather than 'silicate' in new Standard Names. > >>I also think it's worth some clarification in the definition to > >>explain how things can be dissolved in something that many would > >>think of as a solid. > >> > >> > >>So that will give us: > >> > >> > >>moles_of_nitrogen_per_unit_area_in_seabed_sediment > >> > >> > >>unit: mol/m2 > >> > >> > >>description: moles_of_X_per_unit_area_in_Y describes the amount > >>of X in a column with unity base area of material/compartment Y. > >>'Seabed sediment' means particulate matter bound at the sea > >>floor including interstitial pore water. Information on the > >>location of the interface between water column and sediment can > >>be provided via the comment attribute. > >> > >> > >> > >>moles_of_dissolved_inorganic_silicon_per_unit_area_in_seabed_sediment > >> > >> > >>unit: mol/m2 > >> > >> > >>description: moles_of_X_per_unit_area_in_Y describes the amount > >>of X in a column with unity base area of material/compartment Y. > >>'Seabed sediment' means particulate matter bound at the sea > >>floor including interstitial pore water. Information on the > >>location of the interface between water column and sediment can > >>be provided via the comment attribute. 'Dissolved inorganic > >>silicon' means the sum of all inorganic silicon in solution > >>(including silicic acid and its first dissociated anion > >>SiO(OH)3-). > >> > >> > >>Cheers, Roy. > >> > >> > >> > >>I am retiring on 31/05/2018 but will continue to be active > >>through an Emeritus Fellowship using this e-mail address. > >> > >> > >> > >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>*From:* CF-metadata <cf-metadata-boun...@cgd.ucar.edu> > >><mailto:cf-metadata-boun...@cgd.ucar.edu> on behalf of Daniel > >>Neumann <daniel.neum...@io-warnemuende.de> > >><mailto:daniel.neum...@io-warnemuende.de> > >>*Sent:* 17 May 2018 19:58 > >>*To:* cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu <mailto:cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu> > >>*Subject:* Re: [CF-metadata] No standard names for element > >>concentrations in sediment? > >> > >>Great :-) . Then I would like to propose the following two new > >>standard names: > >> > >> > >> > >>moles_of_nitrogen_per_unit_area_in_seabed_sediment > >> > >> > >>unit: mol/m2 > >> > >> > >>description: moles_of_X_per_unit_area_in_Y describes the amount > >>of X in a column with unity base area of material/compartment Y. > >>'Sediment' means particulate matter bound at the sea floor. > >>Information on the location of the interface between water > >>column and sediment can be provided via the comment attribute. > >> > >> > >> > >>and > >> > >> > >> > >>moles_of_silicate_expressed_as_silicon_per_unit_area_in_seabed_sediment > >> > >> > >>unit: mol/m2 > >> > >> > >>description: moles_of_X_per_unit_area_in_Y describes the amount > >>of X in a column with unity base area of material/compartment Y. > >>'Sediment' means particulate matter bound at the sea floor. > >>Information on the location of the interface between water > >>column and sediment can be provided via the comment attribute. > >> > >> > >> > >>Cheers, > >> > >>Daniel > >> > >> > >> > >>On 17.05.2018 16:00, Lowry, Roy K. wrote: > >>> > >>>Hi Daniel, > >>> > >>> > >>>That works for me. > >>> > >>> > >>>Cheers, Roy. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>I am retiring on 31/05/2018 but will continue to be active > >>>through an Emeritus Fellowship using this e-mail address. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>>*From:* CF-metadata <cf-metadata-boun...@cgd.ucar.edu> > >>><mailto:cf-metadata-boun...@cgd.ucar.edu> on behalf of Daniel > >>>Neumann <daniel.neum...@io-warnemuende.de> > >>><mailto:daniel.neum...@io-warnemuende.de> > >>>*Sent:* 17 May 2018 10:41 > >>>*To:* CF Metadata Mail List > >>>*Subject:* Re: [CF-metadata] No standard names for element > >>>concentrations in sediment? > >>>Dear Roy, Dear Jonathan, > >>> > >>>Thank you for the feedback. I see that sediment might be > >>>ambiguous. Would "seabed sediment" or "marine seabed sediment" > >>>be an acceptable alternative? > >>> > >>>moles_of_nitrogen_per_unit_area_in_seabed_sediment > >>> > >>>This would clarify that the sea floor is meant as location of > >>>the sediment. It would also clarify that not bare rock is > >>>meant. > >>> > >>>Cheers, > >>>Daniel > >>> > >>> > >>>On 16.05.2018 11:42, Lowry, Roy K. wrote: > >>>> > >>>>Thanks Daniel, > >>>> > >>>>Couple of additional thoughts that struck me. Is there > >>>>possibility of confusion between seafloor sediment and > >>>>suspended sediment? What if the seabed was bare rock? So, > >>>>might: > >>>> > >>>>moles_of_nitrogen_per_unit_area_in_seabed > >>>> > >>>>be better? > >>>> > >>>>Let’s see if we get any other thoughts on the list. > >>>> > >>>>Cheers, Roy. > >>>> > >>>>*From:*CF-metadata <cf-metadata-boun...@cgd.ucar.edu> > >>>><mailto:cf-metadata-boun...@cgd.ucar.edu> *On Behalf Of > >>>>*Daniel Neumann > >>>>*Sent:* 16 May 2018 09:28 > >>>>*To:* CF Metadata Mail List <cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu> > >>>><mailto:cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu> > >>>>*Subject:* Re: [CF-metadata] No standard names for element > >>>>concentrations in sediment? > >>>> > >>>>Dear Roy, > >>>> > >>>>> I think benthos chemistry is virgin territory for CF - not > >>>>really surprising for a standard that started in the > >>>>atmosphere before dipping its toes in the ocean. > >>>> > >>>>:-) > >>>> > >>>>> I'm presuming your coming from a modelling perspective, > >>>> > >>>>Yes > >>>> > >>>>In our current model setup (ecosystem model of the water > >>>>column) we have a fairly simple sediment and write out the > >>>>nitrogen amount per m2. > >>>> > >>>>This name might be appropriate for this purpose: > >>>>moles_of_nitrogen_per_unit_area_in_sediment > >>>> > >>>>unit: > >>>>mol/m2 > >>>> > >>>>description: > >>>>moles_of_X_per_unit_area_in_Y describes the amount of X in a > >>>>column with unity base area of material/compartment Y. > >>>>'Sediment' means particulate matter bound at the sea floor. > >>>>Information on the location of the interface between water > >>>>column and sediment can be provided via the comment > >>>>attribute. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>Cheers, > >>>>Daniel > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>On 15.05.2018 18:30, Lowry, Roy K. wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Dear Daniel, > >>>> > >>>> I think benthos chemistry is virgin territory for CF - not > >>>> really surprising for a standard that started in the atmosphere > >>>> before dipping its toes in the ocean. > >>>> > >>>> Some thoughts based on my experience with observed sediment > >>>> chemistry data. The data may be reported per unit mass of wet > >>>> or dry sediment or per unit volume of wet sediment. Also it is > >>>> worth making clear that 'sediment' means sediment of all grain > >>>> sizes (say a phrase like 'total_sediment') as samples are > >>>> frequently sieved prior to analysis. > >>>> > >>>> I'm presuming your coming from a modelling perspective, so I'm > >>>> not totally clear about your needs, but would something like > >>>> 'mole_concentration_of_nitrogen_in_wet_total_sediment' be what > >>>> you would be looking for? > >>>> > >>>> Cheers, Roy. > >>>> > >>>> I am retiring on 31/05/2018 but will continue to be active > >>>> through an Emeritus Fellowship using this e-mail address. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>>> > >>>> *From:*CF-metadata <cf-metadata-boun...@cgd.ucar.edu> > >>>> <mailto:cf-metadata-boun...@cgd.ucar.edu> on behalf of Daniel > >>>> Neumann <daniel.neum...@io-warnemuende.de> > >>>> <mailto:daniel.neum...@io-warnemuende.de> > >>>> *Sent:* 15 May 2018 16:51 > >>>> *To:* CF Metadata Mail List > >>>> *Subject:* [CF-metadata] No standard names for element > >>>> concentrations in sediment? > >>>> > >>>> Dear CF Mailing List, > >>>> > >>>> I am looking for standard names to describe the mole > >>>> concentration of > >>>> nitrogen in the sediment. The CF standard name table does not > >>>> contain > >>>> any standard names regarding "mole_concentration" in > >>>> "sediment". I was > >>>> wondering whether another term than "sediment" was used for > >>>> such names. > >>>> I also tried "mud", "seabed", and "sea_bed". 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