Fine for me too.
Cheers, Roy. I am retiring on 31/05/2018 but will continue to be active through an Emeritus Fellowship using this e-mail address. ________________________________ From: CF-metadata <cf-metadata-boun...@cgd.ucar.edu> on behalf of Daniel Neumann <daniel.neum...@io-warnemuende.de> Sent: 18 May 2018 13:39 To: cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] No standard names for element concentrations in sediment? Dear Jonathan, That's fine for me. Daniel On 18.05.2018 14:37, Jonathan Gregory wrote: > Dear Daniel and Roy > > I sent an email yesterday which for some reason disappeared into the void. > Please could I request sea_floor_sediment instead of seabed_sediment? That's > because we already use sea_floor in several standard names, but not sedbed. > > Best wishes > > Jonathan > > ----- Forwarded message from Daniel Neumann > <daniel.neum...@io-warnemuende.de> ----- > >> Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 13:31:04 +0200 >> From: Daniel Neumann <daniel.neum...@io-warnemuende.de> >> To: "cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu" <cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu> >> Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] No standard names for element concentrations in >> sediment? >> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 >> Thunderbird/52.7.0 >> >> Hi Roy, >> >> >> OK, that's fine. Thanks. >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Daniel >> >> >> >> On 18.05.2018 13:25, Lowry, Roy K. wrote: >>> Hi Daniel, >>> >>> >>> Most of the solids in sediment are silicate minerals, quite often >>> quartz (silicon dioxide), which would be included in >>> 'moles_of_silicon' So, I suggest: >>> >>> >>> moles_of_dissolved_inorganic_plus_biogenic_silicon_per_unit_area_in_seabed_sediment >>> >>> unit: mol/m2 >>> >>> description: moles_of_X_per_unit_area_in_Y describes the amount of >>> X in a column with unity base area of material/compartment Y. >>> 'Seabed sediment' means particulate matter bound at the sea floor >>> including interstitial pore water. Information on the location of >>> the interface between water column and sediment can be provided >>> via the comment attribute. 'Dissolved inorganic silicon' means the >>> sum of all inorganic silicon in solution (including silicic acid >>> and its first dissociated anion SiO(OH)3-). 'Biogenic silicon' is >>> any silicon compound, usually the mineral opal, produced by >>> organisms (e.g. diatom skeletal remains) in solid or colloidal >>> form. >>> >>> Cheers, Roy. >>> >>> >>> I am retiring on 31/05/2018 but will continue to be active through >>> an Emeritus Fellowship using this e-mail address. >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> *From:* CF-metadata <cf-metadata-boun...@cgd.ucar.edu> on behalf >>> of Daniel Neumann <daniel.neum...@io-warnemuende.de> >>> *Sent:* 18 May 2018 10:45 >>> *To:* cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu >>> *Subject:* Re: [CF-metadata] No standard names for element >>> concentrations in sediment? >>> Hi, >>> >>> Thanks for correction. I realized that I need a standard name not >>> only for silicate but for biogenic silica plus silicate. I updated >>> the proposed name and description as follows: >>> >>> moles_of_silicon_per_unit_area_in_seabed_sediment >>> >>> unit: mol/m2 >>> >>> description: moles_of_X_per_unit_area_in_Y describes the amount of >>> X in a column with unity base area of material/compartment Y. >>> 'Seabed sediment' means particulate matter bound at the sea floor >>> including interstitial pore water. Information on the location of >>> the interface between water column and sediment can be provided >>> via the comment attribute. 'Silicon' summarizes 'dissolved >>> inorganic silicon' and 'biogenic silica'. 'Dissolved inorganic >>> silicon' means the sum of all inorganic silicon in solution >>> (including silicic acid and its first dissociated anion >>> SiO(OH)3-). 'Biogenic silica' are biogenic silicon minerals which >>> originate from the siliceous skeletal material of dead diatoms and >>> other silica-utilizing organisms. >>> >>> >>> Daniel >>> >>> >>> On 18.05.2018 09:47, Lowry, Roy K. wrote: >>>> Hi (yet) again, >>>> >>>> >>>> Overnight I remembered a debate on CF about not using'dissolved >>>> inorganic silicon' rather than 'silicate' in new Standard Names. >>>> I also think it's worth some clarification in the definition to >>>> explain how things can be dissolved in something that many would >>>> think of as a solid. >>>> >>>> >>>> So that will give us: >>>> >>>> >>>> moles_of_nitrogen_per_unit_area_in_seabed_sediment >>>> >>>> >>>> unit: mol/m2 >>>> >>>> >>>> description: moles_of_X_per_unit_area_in_Y describes the amount >>>> of X in a column with unity base area of material/compartment Y. >>>> 'Seabed sediment' means particulate matter bound at the sea >>>> floor including interstitial pore water. Information on the >>>> location of the interface between water column and sediment can >>>> be provided via the comment attribute. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> moles_of_dissolved_inorganic_silicon_per_unit_area_in_seabed_sediment >>>> >>>> >>>> unit: mol/m2 >>>> >>>> >>>> description: moles_of_X_per_unit_area_in_Y describes the amount >>>> of X in a column with unity base area of material/compartment Y. >>>> 'Seabed sediment' means particulate matter bound at the sea >>>> floor including interstitial pore water. Information on the >>>> location of the interface between water column and sediment can >>>> be provided via the comment attribute. 'Dissolved inorganic >>>> silicon' means the sum of all inorganic silicon in solution >>>> (including silicic acid and its first dissociated anion >>>> SiO(OH)3-). >>>> >>>> >>>> Cheers, Roy. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I am retiring on 31/05/2018 but will continue to be active >>>> through an Emeritus Fellowship using this e-mail address. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> *From:* CF-metadata <cf-metadata-boun...@cgd.ucar.edu> >>>> <mailto:cf-metadata-boun...@cgd.ucar.edu> on behalf of Daniel >>>> Neumann <daniel.neum...@io-warnemuende.de> >>>> <mailto:daniel.neum...@io-warnemuende.de> >>>> *Sent:* 17 May 2018 19:58 >>>> *To:* cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu <mailto:cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [CF-metadata] No standard names for element >>>> concentrations in sediment? >>>> >>>> Great :-) . Then I would like to propose the following two new >>>> standard names: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> moles_of_nitrogen_per_unit_area_in_seabed_sediment >>>> >>>> >>>> unit: mol/m2 >>>> >>>> >>>> description: moles_of_X_per_unit_area_in_Y describes the amount >>>> of X in a column with unity base area of material/compartment Y. >>>> 'Sediment' means particulate matter bound at the sea floor. >>>> Information on the location of the interface between water >>>> column and sediment can be provided via the comment attribute. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> and >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> moles_of_silicate_expressed_as_silicon_per_unit_area_in_seabed_sediment >>>> >>>> >>>> unit: mol/m2 >>>> >>>> >>>> description: moles_of_X_per_unit_area_in_Y describes the amount >>>> of X in a column with unity base area of material/compartment Y. >>>> 'Sediment' means particulate matter bound at the sea floor. >>>> Information on the location of the interface between water >>>> column and sediment can be provided via the comment attribute. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Daniel >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 17.05.2018 16:00, Lowry, Roy K. wrote: >>>>> Hi Daniel, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> That works for me. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, Roy. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I am retiring on 31/05/2018 but will continue to be active >>>>> through an Emeritus Fellowship using this e-mail address. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> *From:* CF-metadata <cf-metadata-boun...@cgd.ucar.edu> >>>>> <mailto:cf-metadata-boun...@cgd.ucar.edu> on behalf of Daniel >>>>> Neumann <daniel.neum...@io-warnemuende.de> >>>>> <mailto:daniel.neum...@io-warnemuende.de> >>>>> *Sent:* 17 May 2018 10:41 >>>>> *To:* CF Metadata Mail List >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [CF-metadata] No standard names for element >>>>> concentrations in sediment? >>>>> Dear Roy, Dear Jonathan, >>>>> >>>>> Thank you for the feedback. I see that sediment might be >>>>> ambiguous. Would "seabed sediment" or "marine seabed sediment" >>>>> be an acceptable alternative? >>>>> >>>>> moles_of_nitrogen_per_unit_area_in_seabed_sediment >>>>> >>>>> This would clarify that the sea floor is meant as location of >>>>> the sediment. It would also clarify that not bare rock is >>>>> meant. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Daniel >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 16.05.2018 11:42, Lowry, Roy K. wrote: >>>>>> Thanks Daniel, >>>>>> >>>>>> Couple of additional thoughts that struck me. Is there >>>>>> possibility of confusion between seafloor sediment and >>>>>> suspended sediment? What if the seabed was bare rock? So, >>>>>> might: >>>>>> >>>>>> moles_of_nitrogen_per_unit_area_in_seabed >>>>>> >>>>>> be better? >>>>>> >>>>>> Let’s see if we get any other thoughts on the list. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, Roy. >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:*CF-metadata <cf-metadata-boun...@cgd.ucar.edu> >>>>>> <mailto:cf-metadata-boun...@cgd.ucar.edu> *On Behalf Of >>>>>> *Daniel Neumann >>>>>> *Sent:* 16 May 2018 09:28 >>>>>> *To:* CF Metadata Mail List <cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu> >>>>>> <mailto:cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu> >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [CF-metadata] No standard names for element >>>>>> concentrations in sediment? >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear Roy, >>>>>> >>>>>>> I think benthos chemistry is virgin territory for CF - not >>>>>> really surprising for a standard that started in the >>>>>> atmosphere before dipping its toes in the ocean. >>>>>> >>>>>> :-) >>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm presuming your coming from a modelling perspective, >>>>>> Yes >>>>>> >>>>>> In our current model setup (ecosystem model of the water >>>>>> column) we have a fairly simple sediment and write out the >>>>>> nitrogen amount per m2. >>>>>> >>>>>> This name might be appropriate for this purpose: >>>>>> moles_of_nitrogen_per_unit_area_in_sediment >>>>>> >>>>>> unit: >>>>>> mol/m2 >>>>>> >>>>>> description: >>>>>> moles_of_X_per_unit_area_in_Y describes the amount of X in a >>>>>> column with unity base area of material/compartment Y. >>>>>> 'Sediment' means particulate matter bound at the sea floor. >>>>>> Information on the location of the interface between water >>>>>> column and sediment can be provided via the comment >>>>>> attribute. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Daniel >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 15.05.2018 18:30, Lowry, Roy K. wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear Daniel, >>>>>> >>>>>> I think benthos chemistry is virgin territory for CF - not >>>>>> really surprising for a standard that started in the atmosphere >>>>>> before dipping its toes in the ocean. >>>>>> >>>>>> Some thoughts based on my experience with observed sediment >>>>>> chemistry data. The data may be reported per unit mass of wet >>>>>> or dry sediment or per unit volume of wet sediment. Also it is >>>>>> worth making clear that 'sediment' means sediment of all grain >>>>>> sizes (say a phrase like 'total_sediment') as samples are >>>>>> frequently sieved prior to analysis. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm presuming your coming from a modelling perspective, so I'm >>>>>> not totally clear about your needs, but would something like >>>>>> 'mole_concentration_of_nitrogen_in_wet_total_sediment' be what >>>>>> you would be looking for? >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, Roy. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am retiring on 31/05/2018 but will continue to be active >>>>>> through an Emeritus Fellowship using this e-mail address. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:*CF-metadata <cf-metadata-boun...@cgd.ucar.edu> >>>>>> <mailto:cf-metadata-boun...@cgd.ucar.edu> on behalf of Daniel >>>>>> Neumann <daniel.neum...@io-warnemuende.de> >>>>>> <mailto:daniel.neum...@io-warnemuende.de> >>>>>> *Sent:* 15 May 2018 16:51 >>>>>> *To:* CF Metadata Mail List >>>>>> *Subject:* [CF-metadata] No standard names for element >>>>>> concentrations in sediment? >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear CF Mailing List, >>>>>> >>>>>> I am looking for standard names to describe the mole >>>>>> concentration of >>>>>> nitrogen in the sediment. The CF standard name table does not >>>>>> contain >>>>>> any standard names regarding "mole_concentration" in >>>>>> "sediment". I was >>>>>> wondering whether another term than "sediment" was used for >>>>>> such names. >>>>>> I also tried "mud", "seabed", and "sea_bed". Or do no such >>>>>> standard >>>>>> names exist at all? >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Daniel >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> CF-metadata mailing list >>>>>> CF-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu <mailto:CF-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu> >>>>>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cf-metadata >>>>>> >>>>>> CF-metadata Info Page - mailman.cgd.ucar.edu >>>>>> <http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cf-metadata> >>>>>> >>>>>> mailman.cgd.ucar.edu >>>>>> >>>>>> This is an unmoderated list for discussions about >>>>>> interpretation, clarification, and proposals for extensions or >>>>>> change to the CF conventions. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> This message (and any attachments) is for the recipient only. >>>>>> NERC is subject to the Freedom of Information Act 2000 and the >>>>>> contents of this email and any reply you make may be disclosed >>>>>> by NERC unless it is exempt from release under the Act. 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