Dear Alison

Yes, that's what I meant. Thanks for considering it.

Best wishes

Jonathan

On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 01:41:23PM +0000, Alison Pamment - UKRI STFC wrote:
> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2018 13:41:23 +0000
> From: Alison Pamment - UKRI STFC <alison.pamm...@stfc.ac.uk>
> To: "'j.m.greg...@reading.ac.uk'" <j.m.greg...@reading.ac.uk>,
>  "cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu" <cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu>
> Subject: RE: [CF-metadata] SIMIP: 5 standard names and one area type for
>  CMIP6
> 
> Dear Jonathan,
> 
> Thank you for commenting on these names. If I understand you correctly, then 
> the two 'maximum' names and definitions would be rearranged as follows.
> 
> maximum_over_coordinate_rotation_of_sea_ice_horizontal_shear_strain_rate (s-1)
> '"Sea ice" means all ice floating in the sea which has formed from freezing 
> sea water, rather than by other processes such as calving of land ice to form 
> icebergs. Axial strain is the symmetric component of the tensor representing 
> the gradient of internal forces (e.g. in ice). Strain rate refers to 
> off-diagonal element(s) of the strain tensor (a single element for horizontal 
> shear strain). "Horizontal" refers to the local horizontal in the location of 
> the sea ice, i.e., perpendicular to the local gravity vector. Each of the 
> strain components is defined with respect to a frame of reference. 
> "Coordinate rotation" refers to the range of all possible orientations of the 
> frame of reference. The shear strain has a maximum value relative to one of 
> these orientations. The second invariant of strain rate, often referred to as 
> the maximum shear strain [rate], is the maximum over coordinate rotations of 
> the shear strain rate.'
> 
> maximum_over_coordinate_rotation_of_sea_ice_horizontal_shear_stress (N m-1)
> ' "Sea ice" means all ice floating in the sea which has formed from freezing 
> sea water, rather than by other processes such as calving of land ice to form 
> icebergs. Axial stress is the symmetric component of the tensor representing 
> the gradient of internal forces (e.g. in ice). Shear stress refers to 
> off-diagonal element(s) of the stress tensor (a single element for horizontal 
> shear stress). "Horizontal" refers to the local horizontal in the location of 
> the sea ice, i.e., perpendicular to the local gravity vector. Each of the 
> stress components is defined with respect to a frame of reference. 
> "Coordinate rotation" refers to the range of all possible orientations of the 
> frame of reference. The shear stress has a maximum value relative to one of 
> these orientations. The second invariant of stress, often referred to as the 
> maximum shear stress, is the maximum over coordinate rotations of the shear 
> stress.'
> 
> I tend to agree that these are a little easier to understand at first sight. 
> I'm happy to write the names and definitions this way, if Dirk and Bruno have 
> no objections.
> 
> N.B. I have added 'Axial' to the start of the second sentence of the 
> definitions and replaced 'stress' with 'strain' for the first definition, as 
> requested by Dirk.
> 
> Best wishes,
> Alison
> 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: CF-metadata <cf-metadata-boun...@cgd.ucar.edu> On Behalf Of Jonathan 
> Gregory
> Sent: 25 June 2018 14:23
> To: cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu
> Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] SIMIP: 5 standard names and one area type for CMIP6
> 
> Dear Alison and Dirk
> 
> > It has taken me a little while to understand this name, but I am beginning 
> > to grasp it!
> > sea_ice_horizontal_shear_strain_rate_maximum_over_coordinate_rotation 
> > (s-1)
> 
> I think the concept and definition are fine, but the name could maybe be made 
> a bit clearer. The last sentence of the definition seems clearer in turning it
> round: could you likewise make the name
>   maximum_over_coordinate_rotation_of_sea_ice_horizontal_shear_strain_rate
> 
> ?
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Jonathan
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