Dear Robert,

Many thanks for your email.

I do certainly recall that you and I spoke early last year regarding the 
possibility of producing a KWIC index for each version of standard names. I’m 
sorry I wasn’t able to pursue it at the time due to the large number of names 
that needed to be agreed for CMIP6. However, if you are in a position to 
produce a KWIC index for more recent versions of the standard name table I 
would be happy to make them available via the CF website. I agree that the 
index provides a different way of browsing and comparing standard names and it 
would be interesting to get other people’s feedback.

I don’t (as far as I know) currently have the facility to run a Prolog program, 
so would need to look into that if we decide that a KWIC index should be 
generated along with other standard name table versions at the same time as the 
regular updates. However, that is something I can explore. In the meantime I 
would need to ask that you generate the KWIC index as you did previously so 
that I can put it on the website. The next update to standard names is 
scheduled for next week – it will be published on Wednesday 15th May – I would 
be happy to add the corresponding KWIC index if you can send it to me.

Best wishes,
Alison

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From: CF-metadata <cf-metadata-boun...@cgd.ucar.edu> On Behalf Of MUETZELFELDT 
Robert
Sent: 07 May 2019 19:42
To: cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu
Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] Some standard name updates to improve consistency.


Dear Jonathan, Martin, Alison and list,

Talking about tools for helping to pick up inconsistencies in Standard Names . 
. . . .

About 18 months ago I produced a KWIC index for CF Standard Names (v47).   This 
is in fact linked to from the CF Standard Names Table home 
page<http://cfconventions.org/standard-names.html>, and can be found at 
http://cfconventions.org/Data/cf-standard-names/47/kwicindex/kwic_index_for_cf_standard_names_v47.html.
   It consists of, first, an alphabetic list of all the terms (keywords) found 
in all Standard Names, followed by the KWIC index itself, i.e. a page-centred 
list of all keywords, surrounded on either side by the full Standard Name in 
which it appears.  Each page-centred keyword can, and usually does, appear 
multiple times on successive lines, once for each Standard Name that it appears 
in.   All the terms that appear on either side of the page-centred keyword are 
in fact links, taking you up or down the KWIC index to where that term is 
itself the page-centred keyword.

The idea is that this makes it very easy to navigate around the full set of 
Standard Names.  It is not really designed for picking up inconsistencies, but 
I guess that it is one of the tools that could be used to do that.

The idea was that I would generate a new KWIC index page for each version of 
the Standard Names Table, then hand the code (in fact, a Prolog program) over 
to Alison so that she could do this.   Rather embarrassingly, this has not 
happened.  However, if there is sufficient interest in keeping this current, 
I'd be happy to re-run the program for the current version, then discuss 
handing the code over.

Cheers,
Robert
On 07/05/2019 18:19, Jonathan Gregory wrote:

Dear Martin and Alison



Thank you for carefully pursuing this detailed discussion. The degree of

consistency which Martin remarked upon initially is encouraging, but it's also

evident that we have to work very hard to achieve that, and any tools that we

can put in place to make it easier (as Martin is thinking about, I believe)

are well worth considering.



I have some small points.



  1.  I've looked into the elemental/black carbon issue briefly

...

it may make sense to deal with that in a separate discussion and try to get 
some relevant experts involved.



I agree with that conclusion.



9. I'm still a little uncomfortable with the idea of "ambient_aerosol" 
referring to the suspension of particles in air. The phrase 
"ambient_aerosol_particles" is used when we are referring to properties of the 
particles rather than the suspension



This is like the distinction between ocean vs sea_water and atmosphere vs air.



I can't think of a meaningful interpretation of a "dry aerosol" (I think 
dust_dry_aerosol is only used in the form dust_dry_aerosol_particles).



We have the following names which mention dry_aerosol without particles:



mass_concentration_of_biomass_burning_dry_aerosol_in_air

mass_fraction_of_mercury_dry_aerosol_in_air

tendency_of_atmosphere_mass_content_of_mercury_dry_aerosol_due_to_emission

tendency_of_atmosphere_mass_content_of_sulfate_dry_aerosol_expressed_as_sulfur_due_to_wet_deposition



For "relative_humidity_for_aerosol_particle_size_selection", I recognise that 
this would be the only use of "particle" in the singular.



This is a minor concern, but to avoid introducing it in the singular we could

write relative_humidity_for_size_selection_of_aerosol_particles - that might

be easier to read as well.



I suggest we add 'A positive radiative forcing or radiative effect is

equivalent to a downward radiative flux and contributes to a warming of the

earth system.'



I agree that for the sake of clarity it would be good to add this. It's

consistent with literature, as you say, and also with the IPCC AR5 glossary,

which says, "Radiative forcing is the change in the net, downward minus upward,

radiative flux ...".



Best wishes



Jonathan

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