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#95: Development of CF 1.5 Data Model
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  Reporter:  markh           |       Owner:  [email protected]
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  Priority:  medium          |   Milestone:                               
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Comment (by bnl):

 Replying to [comment:76 bjlittle]:
 > Replying to [comment:70 davidhassell]:
 >
 > Hi David,
 >
 > Okay I'm jumping into this conversation somewhat cold, so apologies if
 I'm covering a previously discussed point.

 Hi Bill. I jumped in a few comments back. It's the done thing :-)

 > I'm curious about your statement with regards to global/data attributes:
 >
 > > I also think that it's not the preserve of the data model to ensure
 that a CF-netCDF dataset written out is identical to one read in. So long
 as the logical content of the input and output datasets is the same then
 the data model has done its job, regardless, in fact, of the formats of
 the two datasets. As Bryan says, software built on the CF data model will
 make decisions on how to format its output within the confines of creating
 a CF compliant file.
 >
 > I know that we're discussing the data model here and not implementation
 specifics, but I believe that proposing a CF data model that can only
 promise similar logical content will cause big issues for many data users.
 I've seen many, many real world CF NetCDF files where (misguided or not) a
 user expects the global attributes to be preserved through the load-
 process-save cycle.
 >
 > My concern is that if the community agree on a data model that only
 guarentees similar logical content, then there will be a real world impact
 as a concequence. Such a decision should be made explicit, at the very
 least, as it will be contrary to the current expectation some data users
 may have.

 The problem is that other data users have different expectations, and some
 of us think that the "file as a bucket" metaphor is holding us back.  In
 particular, what do we do with (original) global file attributes by the
 time the variable is some way down any kind of reasonable workflow where
 we are accumulating provenance.  They're just (logically) variable
 attributes because we have different assemblages of variables by then ...

 ... which is to say that I have never expected global file attributes to
 propagate *as global file attributes* through my workflow, as attributes,
 yes.

 So, I agree, let's make it explicit. The lack of explicitness is what has
 caused this thread :-)



 >
 > I hope that this point isn't too inappropriate given the current
 discussion.
 >
 > Best regards,
 > Bill

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