nope, not getting any OOM errors at all.  Just a hung server every
couple weeks.  When it hangs JRUN thread metrics indicate all is well,
no huge set of qued requests and 0 delayed requests and only 2 to 5
current threads being worked.  Memeory according to JRUn is fine. 
Memeory according to task manager is high and CPU use is maxed.  Its
like a slow process of death, lol.  I'm convinced its this one guys
app that continually does big queries and continually gets pages
running 15 to 25 secs long.  Once I segregate this app and make use of
your suggestions we shall see.

I'm supposed to be developing not spending hours in this abyss.  We
are actually thinking of scheduling a service restart like once a week
to clear out whatever is happening.  A horrible approach, but cheaper
in our situation.

D


On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 15:25:43 -0000, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>                                 Well, If you are getting OOM errors then it
> will tell you in the logs.  If you are getting them then you need to
> increase the amount of memory available.  Yes it is possible to go above the
> JVM Arguments. It is not a ceiling per say...it will of course manage GC
> etc. but VM is a factor.
> 
> From what you have posted it would seem the apps uses more memory than you
> have assigned to - probably not all the time though.
> 
> The hanging is no doubt a case of long running queries and the way CF is
> managing them internally - you say you have not queued requests or timeouts?
> 
> N
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Douglas Knudsen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 01 March 2005 15:21
> To: CF-Server
> Subject: Re: memory use and CF
> 
> ugh, yuck.  If the VM memory use in task manager is correct, it is
> more than the JVM args are set at.  Is that really possible?  If so
> the  heap size settings seem worthless, eh?
> 
> hmm, I'm using the JRun logging service, not any JVM args.  This is
> setup in the jrun.xml file.  I've read that it doesn't add noticeable
> load at all.  Plan to turn it off once things are more stable again.
> Note we do not get any server crashes, we get server hangs.  If I
> understand this all correctly, if the JVM runs out of memory
> 
> D
> 
> On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 14:48:54 -0000, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > If Task Manager is that High it is a sure fire case that your app is using
> > that amount of Memory!
> >
> > Again, you will get a far clearer picture of things if you run the
> VisualGC
> > - I wouldn't trust JRun metrics at all.
> >
> > N
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Douglas Knudsen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: 01 March 2005 14:50
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