Peer pressure has gotten to me and I guess I'll give in and offer my 2
cents. I'll start by saying that I don't have a degree, although, I'm going
for my BS in CS this fall. Every situation is unique. Therefore, there is no
concrete evidence that says you MUST have a degree. I look at a degree like
this: It shouldn't just be to get you ahead in your career. However, that's
why most people get a degree. How about history, English and math skills
that, let's face it, a lot of people need. I remember this guy that always
said "yous" i.e. - "I'll talk to yous later". Sounds uneducated to me.
Anyway, OJT is extremely important, but I think a degree can be equally
important too. I'm looking for my degree to fill in some of the pieces that
I've missed with OJT. In talking to some people from Allaire, I've found out
that one of the problems they see is that you have a lot of Web developers
with no formal application development experience. That is, pre-internet
development experience.
To finish, OJT can be invaluable if you have a well structured environment
where you can build and grow on best practices. Equally important is to have
leadership that puts it's subordinates in positions to succeed. I really
like the cliche: "A dog is only as smart as his owner".
Do we need to start a CF-Education list?
-----Original Message-----
From: Kelly Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 1:58 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: OT: School Days - (was: Lighten things up a little)
i worked government contracts for 4 years my 2 year music degree
was enough never had a problem getting a job where a Bachelors was required,
however
I did have to back up my qualifications with proof and experience which was
easy enough.
I think with Gov. Contracts your PAY may suffer a little if you dont hvae
the degree but
outside of government it hasnt mattered one bit for me.
Kelly
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Howell, Katie [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 1:52 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: OT: School Days - (was: Lighten things up a little)
>
> ok, I'll bite:
>
> BA in theater design (believe it or not, the drafting/scenic design
> classes
> really help with page layout) then back to school (16 yrs later) for a
> masters in Computer Resources and Information Management.
>
> My 2 bits for the value of a degree...when working for a government
> contractor, having a degree (in my experience anyway) is almost a
> requirement. When your company bids on a gov't job, they actually list
> how
> many staff members have advanced degrees.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sharon DiOrio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 1:46 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: OT: School Days - (was: Lighten things up a little)
>
>
> Bachelor of Fine Arts here.
>
> "Well, the application is busted, but it sho does look purty."
>
> Sharon
>
> At 01:24 PM 5/15/2000 -0400, Olive, Christopher M Mr USACHPPM wrote:
> >oddly enough, my degree is a split major in writing and computer science.
> ;)
> >
> >Chris Olive
> >DOHRS Website Administrator
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Stewart McGowan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 1:18 PM
> >To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> >Subject: RE: OT: School Days - (was: Lighten things up a little)
> >
> >
> > I don't know about in the states but out of ten developers, nine
> >have degrees in technical subjects and well the boss has an english
> degree
> >:)
> >
> > Stew
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Todd Ashworth [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >> Sent: 15 May 2000 18:30
> >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Subject: Re: OT: School Days - (was: Lighten things up a little)
> >>
> >> OK .. I'll give you that, but then again, how hard would it really be
> to
> >> pick up on those concepts on your own? I don't doubt the value of that
> >> degree in certain situations; It *can* give you an edge. In many
> cases,
> >> especially when dealing with jobs involving new technology, just having
> >> the
> >> degree is more important than what it's in .. if the degree is even
> >> important at all.
> >>
> >> A college education does tend to make one a more well rounded
> individual
> >> and
> >> I suppose that's desirable to some people. Unfortunately, the way I
> see
> >> it
> >> is that the college degree won't play a big role for me until I get
> more
> >> experience under my belt and move on up into much more competitive
> >> markets.
> >> In today's computer age, you can go a good long ways without one, but
> they
> >> really help if you want to get to the top :) So .. I say if you have
> the
> >> chance to go, take it. It can't hurt and will help, even if
> indirectly.
> >> Besides, I just want to say I is edumacated .. That's why I'm going
> back
> >> for
> >> a masters in biology. :)
> >>
> >> Heh .. wonder how I can work that into ColdFusion development?
> >>
> >> hmmm .. <cf_mitosis>?
> >> Or maybe start a new company, hire Linus Torlvolds and call it
> >> Transmetaphase?
> >>
> >> OK .. I'm just being silly now.
> >>
> >> Seriously, has anyone had any experience with ColdFusion jobs where the
> >> employers were concerned with the level of post secondary education?
> I'm
> >> really curious now.
> >>
> >> .Todd
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Olive, Christopher M Mr USACHPPM"
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 12:08 PM
> >> Subject: RE: Slightly OT: Lighten things up a little
> >>
> >>
> >> | i'm afraid i'd have to disagree with that. i may not "use" anything
> i
> >> | learned in college in respect that they never taught me ASP, CF, IIS,
> >> etc.
> >> | however, the concept of a stack, queue, linked list, structure,
> array,
> >> etc.,
> >> | is universal to languages (ok, well, most languages). it is in
> >> | *understanding* the concepts of these things that college shows its
> >> value.
> >> | because of this (fairly) solid foundation in programming *theory*, i
> am
> >> | better able to leverage my skill sets in languages i know. more
> >> | importantly, they help me in learning something new. when you boil
> it
>
> >> down,
> >> | all languages are the same (ok, there are sub-types of programming
> >> languages
> >> | (procedural, functional, OO)), all you need to know is where to put
> the
> >> semi
> >> | colons.
> >>
> >>
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