I agree with your argument that the marketplace is not entirely to blame for the problems the Cold Fusion platform is facing esp. in enterprise solutions.
What I always want to ask people who look at this from a cost standpoint is (and I ask this with all due respect): Do you pay your developers to code? Are you aware of the difference in the number of lines of code written to accomplish the same thing on each platform? I support several Cold Fusion and JSP applications and Cold Fusion by far is geared towards faster rapid application development. I've seen CF projects that take two days to complete take two weeks to port to JSP, and JSP projects reengineered in CF take one-fifth the development time. Different developers can have different opinions on what the actual time to production savings is, however, I have yet to meet anyone who says they can get work done faster in JSP than CF. I realize that different platforms have different nuances which are difficult to measure. But it is surprising to me that no one will try to take up cost savings in development time over a year as the justification for running Cold Fusion on top of J2EE. Maybe it is because no one has produced a study or has hard metrics to back up the assertion, I don't know. But production time is an intangible that affects the bottom line just like anything else, and is ignored at one's peril. M -----Original Message----- From: Trey Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 1:46 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: How Good is the Job Market for ColdFusion? I have to agree with Casey on this one. There are practically no CF postings in the Texas market. Dallas has by far the most of any other regional market. I'm no longer a developer and have moved up past the architect tear, and honestly, I here 5x as many stories of people ditching CF than ramping up. The enterprise penetration of MX has been weak. MM would blame this on the marketplace, but I'm not sold on this. We honestly are seriously considering dumping the product and retraining our CF team for native j2ee. MM's failure to support Oracles j2ee server is killing them in the education and corporate marketplaces. Too many large schools and corporations have purchased 'site' licensure of oracle products that comes bundled with oracle's j2ee server. Fiscally we can not justify purchasing another party j2ee server just to continue using the CF toolset. We are moving forward with what we already own. Talking with industry piers, we are by no means the only large shop doing this. My advice, if you want to maintain your marketability, you better ramp up on other application server languages. Trey Rouse Rice University ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
