Oh come on! How are we going to integrate turn key solutions while creating high ROI? We are lost if we cannot evolve relational protocols or benchmark online functionalities!
I, for one, cannot go after the low hanging fruit - ASAP - without falling back and punting! These things can only be accomplished by sitting in an $800 chair - or so I hear. -----Original Message----- From: Paris Lundis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 2:06 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: How Good is the Job Market for ColdFusion? actually totally not bitter.. I use to sit around and laugh at the insanity... Herman Miller pay day baby... those little funny cars... the denial... Oh the jet set wannabes :) she likes, ahh you money ... I was always the black cloud of death reminder... Paris Lundis Founder Areaindex, L.L.C. http://www.areaindex.com http://www.pubcrawler.com 412-292-3135 [finding the future in the past, passing the future in the present] [connecting people, places and things] -----Original Message----- From: Mosh Teitelbaum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 16:10:29 -0400 Subject: RE: How Good is the Job Market for ColdFusion? > LOL > > - Mr. Know It All but Knows Nothing Web Dork > > -- > Mosh Teitelbaum > evoch, LLC > Tel: (301) 625-9191 > Fax: (301) 933-3651 > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > WWW: http://www.evoch.com/ > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rob Rohan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 3:54 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: RE: How Good is the Job Market for ColdFusion? > > > > > > At least you're not bitter. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Paris Lundis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 12:37 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: RE: How Good is the Job Market for ColdFusion? > > > > > > It's an economy and burnout thing... > > > > I mean how many people need software built? How many people are > > throwing hard cash at a software based business concept? > > > > Not many. > > > > Couple that with the reduced budgets everyone is facing across the > > board and bingo! Hiring isn't what is in, firing is... > > > > The whole view that the web was where you had to be, is a has been > > idea... Now its trivilized greatly (after the cafe mocha brewer > turned > > web dude turned 20something CEO phase)... The margins are razor > thin in > > general and clients expect tons of functionality at little or no > cost.. > > > > Companies with payrolls are feeling the lashings, even if they are > > selling box software... Retainers, once the staple of entitlement > have > > evaporated and lots of people owe for development across the > board... > > > > Times are tough and leaner... Better and different... > > > > At least now I can laugh that Mr. Know It All but Knows Nothing Web > > Dorks and the idiot business school wanks with their bullshit $800 > > chairs and stupid gimmicks are back at their mostly trivial jobs > for > > mostly someone else... > > > > > > Paris Lundis > > Founder > > Areaindex, L.L.C. > > http://www.areaindex.com > > http://www.pubcrawler.com > > 412-292-3135 > > [finding the future in the past, passing the future in the present] > > [connecting people, places and things] > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: "Trey Rouse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:45:38 -0500 > > Subject: RE: How Good is the Job Market for ColdFusion? > > > > > I have to agree with Casey on this one. There are practically no > CF > > > postings in the Texas market. Dallas has by far the most of any > > > other > > > regional market. > > > > > > I'm no longer a developer and have moved up past the architect > tear, > > > and > > > honestly, I here 5x as many stories of people ditching CF than > > > ramping > > > up. The enterprise penetration of MX has been weak. MM would > blame > > > this > > > on the marketplace, but I'm not sold on this. > > > > > > We honestly are seriously considering dumping the product and > > > retraining > > > our CF team for native j2ee. MM's failure to support Oracles > j2ee > > > server is killing them in the education and corporate > marketplaces. > > > Too > > > many large schools and corporations have purchased 'site' > licensure > > > of > > > oracle products that comes bundled with oracle's j2ee server. > > > Fiscally > > > we can not justify purchasing another party j2ee server just to > > > continue > > > using the CF toolset. We are moving forward with what we already > own. > > > Talking with industry piers, we are by no means the only large > shop > > > doing this. > > > > > > My advice, if you want to maintain your marketability, you better > > > ramp > > > up on other application server languages. > > > > > > Trey Rouse > > > Rice University > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Casey C Cook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 9:54 AM > > > > To: CF-Talk > > > > Subject: RE: How Good is the Job Market for ColdFusion? > > > > > > > > Well, heres my 2 cents. When the economy was booming I noticed > > > about > > > a 1 > > > > to 5 ratio (roughly 100 CF 500 ASP) for coldfusion to ASP jobs > on > > > > monster.com for the Dallas/Ft. Worth Texas Area, now that the > > > economy > > > is > > > > down I see a 1 to 12 ratio (roughly 10 CF 120 ASP) for > coldfusion > > > to > > > ASP > > > > jobs for the Dallas/Ft. Worth Texas Area. I know this is a > very > > > small > > > > sample, but if I was looking to stay in this area I would say > CF > > > jobs > > > are > > > > becoming more scarce. > > > > > > > > Best of luck. > > > > Casey Cook > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Angel > > > > Stewart" <gel To: CF-Talk <cf- > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > @silkcotton.c cc: > > > > om> Subject: RE: How > Good > > > is > > > the > > > > Job Market for ColdFusion? > > > > > > > > 10/12/02 > > > > 09:10 AM > > > > Please > > > > respond to > > > > cf-talk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You should be asking how good is the job market for Web > Development > > > in > > > > the US in general, > > > > rather than focusing on CF, and that might give you a better > > > answer. > > > > > > > > -Gel > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: siva girumala [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > How good is the job market for ColdFusion expertise? > > > > It seems the number of openings in ColdFusion are > > > > becoming less and less. > > > > > > > > Is it dying? I am sorry to even mention this. But i > > > > would like to know the future of ColdFusion..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
