Trey, I just did a very simple search on Google looked for ".cfm" got 25.5 million results, ".asp" 89.2 million, ".php" 106 million, ".jsp" 13.6 million.
Kind Regards - Mike Brunt, CTO Webapper http://www.webapper.com Downey CA Office 562.243.6255 AIM - webappermb "Webapper - Making the NET work" -----Original Message----- From: Trey Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 10:48 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: How Good is the Job Market for ColdFusion? I would challenge your 'Deployed' numbers. Your 'Facts' don't hold much water with me. More than 10,000 organizations have purchased ColdFusion More than 125,000 ColdFusion servers deployed The average organization purchases and deploys 12.5 licenses of CF? Where are the numbers of deployment of CFMX? Or how about 5.0+? Are the dozen licenses we own but are collecting dust being counted in your numbers? And how many others like us? I would be very surprised if 90% of your customer base purchases and deploys more than 3 servers, and of those, I bet at most 50% are production. If you expect us to believe this PR dribble, I think some more supporting information is needed. At least a basis from where these numbers are coming from? Trey Rouse > -----Original Message----- > From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 6:25 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: How Good is the Job Market for ColdFusion? > > >The enterprise penetration of MX has been weak. MM would blame this > on the marketplace, but I'm not sold on this. > > Server version upgrade cycles in the enterprise app-server space is around > 12 months, according to those I've discussed it with. We're really only > about halfway through the cycle at this time. The overall installed CF > base is pretty healthy, and growing. Here's a partial list of existing CF > sites we use for PR/marketing: > http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/proven/ > > Even considering the upgrade cycle in the enterprise app-server world, the > list of CFMX enterprise sites is growing every day. The following are a > few of the CFMX sites recently sent to me: > > http://www.ecoprimalquest.com/ > http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm?countryid=19&languageid=1 > http://www.panasonic.com.au/hometheatre > http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/ (some CF, some dynamic Flash content, some > just plain HTML) > http://www.reservations.broadmoor.com > > We know a lot of enterprise-level customers have upgraded to CFMX and are > in the upgrade cycle - but they don't always report back to us when they > go live with CFMX, so feel free to send me sites that you know of too! > > In addition to this stuff, consider the ways Macromedia is expanding the > CF market: > > *Ground-up rewrite in Java: This expands CF capabilities, as well as makes > CF an option to the enterprise-level sites which want the benefits of > deploying on a the Java platform and the rapid app dev (RAD) offered by > CF. It also means current CF customers have a way to move up to the Java > platform without requiring they abandon their existing apps (or their CF > developers). Admittedly, this has been a challenging release of CF for > some, but once the dust settles, CF and the CF community will enjoy this > huge leap forward. > > *We're working to deliver the information developers need to help them be > successful with ColdFusion and our other technology offerings: > www.macromedia.com/desdev > > *We're tappiing into new markets for CF: > > -With Flash remoting, the HUGE Flash community is getting turned on to CF. > While one can purchase Flash remoting for ASP, Flashers taking to CF > readily because of it's shorter learning curve and RAD capabilities. > > -Dreamweaver users: OK, before you pile on me about this one, I'm not > trying to debate the CFStudio/HS+ vs. Dreamweaver issue for CFers. > Dreamweaver is ~80% of the HTML editor market, and these folks are moving > into the dynamic application/web app development space in droves. > Dreamweaver MX makes their entry into the CF arena a snap with its built > in server behaviors that cover the most basic stuff, and CF's shorter > learning curve and tagged based syntax makes CF a very attractive for > these new application developers. > > *We've delivered innovative products that are more integrated and work > more smoothly with each other than ever before, offering "one-stop" > shopping for industry leading technologies. This also means that we can > deliver well integrated technologies, and better information for those who > are integrating these various technologies. But we've also worked to > remain somewhat agnostic with many of these innovations; many (most) of > these innovations integrate with 3rd party products/platforms. > > Individually, one may not be positioned to take advantage of everything we > offer surrounding CF, but we see businesses moving into these areas as > they begin to plan and implement new projects, and bring additional > technologies & skills into their shops. > > It's been said Macromedia should concentrate on CF improvements and fixes > and forget everything else, but our efforts across the board are not > mutually exclusive. We've already released one CFMX updater, and another > is fortcoming. > > Macromedia is fully behind ColdFusion and ColdFusion developers. Yes, > there is definately room for improvement, as is evidenced by some of the > more lively discussion on this list recently. But we do listen to and > incorporate to the community's feedback, while we continue to innovate. > Unfortunately, sometimes we can't talk about everything happening, even in > the face of (emerging) competition. But that shouldn't be misread as an > indication that nothing is happening behind the scenes. > > I personally think the economy has stifled some of the payoff from > Macromedia's efforts, it's stifled just about everything involving > economics! But eventually you will start to see these efforts start to pay > off for ColdFusion and CF developers. > > Nay-sayers can say spout gloom and doom if they will, but CF is on the way > up. We're just gettin' started! > > Vernon Viehe > ColdFusion Community Manager > Developer Relations > Macromedia, Inc. > Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/ > -------------------- > Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida > Architecting a New Internet Experience > Register today at www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002 > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm
