Don't forget commercial product support. A selling point of any commercial
product vs. any open-source project.
I've never been bothered by having to type <cfwhatever> -- to me it actually
feels cleaner than <% block of script %> or actually not having to
constantly try and shoe-horn html or xhtml into something like
writeoutput('<a href="myurl">'); ime usually means less typing and cleaner
code.
My own personal gripe ( and I'll admit, it's petty as hell ) is the way
people use the abbreviation in their naming and marketing of every little
damn thing -- just like the Java programmers and all their coffee-related
names and jokes.
cf_coffee
cf_beer
cf_cupajoe
cf_house
cf_spatula
cfx_vampire
And ( no offense ) I'll even name a few names
cfm_resources.com
cf_pablo.com
cfx_hosting.com
etc.
cf_spider
cf_forestforthetrees
cfx_injectionmoldingmachinery
cfx_power
cf_catinthehat
cfexistentialism
cf_trickortreat
cf_Sartre
cf_stickinthemud
cf_buildingabettertommorrow
cf_gun
cf_please_kill_me_now
cf_gotojailgodirectlytojaildonotpassgodonotcollecttwohundreddollars
I mean honestly -- come on guys, it was cute and it was funny the first
50mil times I heard it, but it's old. Let it DIE!
S. Isaac Dealey
Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer
www.turnkey.to
954-776-0046
> It's the FAA's web development standard (I'm doing a contract for them),
> and is the standard for many other organizations with the need for rapid
> application development (although the government is far from rapid I've
> learned).
> I will say again, though, that I *know* many developers get turned off
> by having to type the proprietary software acronym "CF" all the time.
> It's a dumb gripe, but I've heard it before.
> I think they'd be happy with:
> <%_output>
> Instead of:
> <cfoutput>
> Damn geeks. :)
> I think the biggest concern, though, is money. Microsoft pulled its
> classic trick and made ASP free. PHP is truly free, and has matured
> enough to rival ColdFusion. I haven't had to argue it too much, but
> what is CF's main reason for charging anyways? Their product is well
> worth it, but when everyone else goes free, you have to have great
> reasons for charging.
> I usually cite:
> Total ease of use, extreme development speed
> Inclusion of verity search functionality
> Superb documentation
> What do others say?
> --D
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matt Liotta [mailto:mliotta@;r337.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:19 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: OT:Yahoo moving to PHP
> People talk shit about VB more than any other language. Most calling VB
> a toy because it is easy to create applications with. Ironically, VB is
> used in every Fortune 2000 company and has the largest developer base in
> the world mostly because of its ease of use.
> CF seems to suffer from the same thing. It is quite simply the easiest
> language to build web applications in and as such is considered a toy by
> some, while many Fortune 2000 companies use CF for internal web
> applications because of this.
> Matt Liotta
> President & CEO
> Montara Software, Inc.
> http://www.montarasoftware.com/
> 888-408-0900 x901
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:info@;turnkey.to]
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 3:07 PM
>> To: CF-Talk
>> Subject: Re: OT:Yahoo moving to PHP
>>
>> > Sure they do. It all depends on who you talk to, Just like C++ vs VB
> vs
>> > Java
>> >
>> > At 01:22 PM 10/30/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>> >>You know, I am so sick and tired of having to defend CF, at work to
>> other
>> >>developers here....... You know I don't see php, or asp people
> having
>> do
>> >>defend using those languages..... WTF!!
>> >>
>> >>F%$# it I am changing career's and becoming a firefighter.......
>>
>> I've heard people talk about having to defend ASP ( for being cryptic
> and
>> not being dynamic enough -- my personal reasons for not liking it
> after
>> having worked with it almost exclusively for a year ) and PHP ( for
> its
>> background / history -- I have no clue what this means ). I probably
> can't
>> count the number of times I've heard people refer to VB with obvious
>> disdain
>> -- but it still gets a lot of use. And people complain about Java
> being
>> "buggy" or "flakey" with enough consistency that I can sometimes
> finish
>> their sentences. I've had to defend the use of JavaScript and dhtml
> even
>> in
>> environments where it was known that the company was standardized on
> IE
>> and
>> no-one should be using the application with anything else and there
> was no
>> plan to change.
>>
>>
>> S. Isaac Dealey
>> Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer
>>
>> www.turnkey.to
>> 954-776-0046
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