The only way you'll see a reversal in numbers/pay is if schools were capable of separating business and actually educate ... Microsoft rules the schools and uses the schools to "educate" students on Microsoft products, great for MS, bad for the industry.
-----Original Message----- From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 2:02 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: RE: RE: CFMX and Java I think the two big balance points are: Java developers are more expensive because they are few in numbers. v. MSCDs and MSCEs are everywhere, and cheaper. If java became the big open source language used by all, you would most likely see a reversal in numbers vs. pay. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -----Original Message----- From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 11:38 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: RE: RE: CFMX and Java opps... >Java as the open platform? Java is a platform supported by >multiple vendors, yes, but I don't believe this qualifies it as >open Java (these might be good questions..) 1.How many versions of JVM's do we have today? 2.Do all the basic Java API's work whether it be IBM/SUN/BEA/ORCALE? 3.What do you need to develop a Java J2EE/Other App? J2EE complex and expensive talent..YES. But how many times does a company re-write software? Is Tomcat expensive? is J2SE(JDK) expensive? Maintenance contracts? Vs C#/Visual Basic (MS whatever) What are your choices in development?(MS Only?). How many vendors do we have for .NET Framework? Will C# code run on any platform? How much money are corportations spending on Licence agreements? Contracts? MSDN subsciptions? Talk about.. .Net Complexity? It took me around 11/2hrs to get Webshpere Studio running and compiling right... It took me a couple days to get .NET framework/Visual Studio.Net running right.. not to mention.. it messed up CFMX install first time... Oh Yea.. Install took 2hrs..finished a full movie during the install.. Joe -------Original Message------- From: "Benjamin S. Rogers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 01/03/03 01:54 PM To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: RE: CFMX and Java > > > With sofware giants like IBM/Oracle/Sun/Bea pushing Java > and J2EE...Just guess.. the open platform is going to win. >Java as the open platform? Java is a platform supported by >multiple vendors, yes, but I don't believe this qualifies it as open (despite what Sun's marketing department might say). C# and the CLI, on the other hand, have been ratified by the ECMA. Whether or not that's a good thing is up for debate, but I think it does exhibit a greater degree of "openness." > Have you read articles of Microsoft Windows.Net and what > corporations think about their pricing..? I think you're mixing up workstation and productivity software licensing with server licensing. While quite a few are upset about the former, "IBM/Oracle/Sun/Bea" compete in the latter. If we're comparing Oracle's licensing to Microsoft's, well, I'll take Microsoft's any day of the week. Benjamin S. Rogers http://www.c4.net/ v.508.240.0051 f.508.240.0057 -----Original Message----- From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 10:21 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: RE: CFMX and Java > I am not quite as optimistic about the future of Java Interesting and funny!. I happen to do a little internet shopping around Christmas and New year. About 75% of the GOOD Clothing/accessories/home decor websites were JSP and am pretty sure they are in some fashion J2EE compliant.. and scaled very well inspite of all the traffic(especially ppl shopping for good prices and stuff) I hope you know that CFMX is just a J2EE Application deployed on JRun and quite interesting enough on IBM websphere. With sofware giants like IBM/Oracle/Sun/Bea pushing Java and J2EE...Just guess.. the open platform is going to win. Have you read articles of Microsoft Windows.Net and what corporations think about their pricing..? I really think Linux/Lindows/Open Platform and Java will take off and in this economy of corporate cutbacks.. corporations are actively looking for cheaper solutions/software. As for CFMX and Java... i think for heavy duty applications.. CFMX will be suitable for Presentation Tier and Java will be used for all the heavy duty middle tier processing.. btw (we are not talking about a comment form). Joe -------Original Message------- From: Cary Gordon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 01/03/03 12:12 PM To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: Mr.Corfield: MX and beans > > I am not quite as optimistic about the future of Java as you are. It might be around, in the sense that the once and future coolest language in the world, APL, is still around... At 11:38 AM 1/3/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Personally, I'd write everything in beans if given the opportunity. Not >to knock CF or NEthing, but I like the idea of my code being server >independent. You can use the same beans on your expensive CFMX box, or >on a freeware J2ee, or any other java apps for that matter. It really is >one of the best architectures for code reuse. (IMHO) > >Thinking of some of the archaic systems we have at our university, we >would have saved hundreds of thousands on updating them, had we been >able to use the exact same code. > >I can't say for certain if CF will be around in 25 years, but I feel >pretty confident that java will. It's just kind of crazy to think that >my code will last that long. As it's usually cycled out due to >technology changes, not logic. > >Adam Wayne Lehman >Web Systems Developer >Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health >Distance Education Division Cary Gordon The Cherry Hill Company ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
