I've got to take some time to look at your two table approach, Joshua.
Haven't had time to think about it...got called out for some "network admin"
work by a client...

Got to consider your dropdown solution for the "2nd Tuesday of each month"
problem...but one concern would still be how to allow them to change a
specific
occurrence of a recurring event...like changing this month's "2nd Tuesday
meeting"
to the "3rd Tuesday.  I guess you're suggesting allowing the insertion upon
submission
of all the specific occurrences of a recurring event for a specified time
period?  To allow
for alteration of specific occurrences without affecting all?

The only problem I can see with using the info from the dropdowns to create
all the
specific occurrences would be that once those specific occurrences that
populate the db
have passed their date, say for 2 years, another submission of "2nd Tuesday
of each month"
would have to occur to create more specific events.

Just to make sure you were following my probably unclear logic on two
tables...
I was suggesting having only one table that actually contained events that
would
populate the calendar.  That table would be populated by manual entries from
users,
but also by "automated" entry from a second table that held "descriptions"
of recurring events.

The information in the "descriptions" table of recurring events would be
checked when the
calendar was called up and the actual events involved for the display period
would then populate
the calendar.  That way, there may be "descriptions" of recurring events,
that when actually
turned into specific calendar events, would turn into 500 events over two
year period.  However,
the 500 events wouldn't be entered into the actual events calendar until
someone wanted to
look at that time period.  So if no one wanted to see Feb 2004's events
until Dec 2003, the
events table wouldn't actually contain those event records until Dec 2003
when the calendar was
called up for that period.  Make any sense?

That way, too, when the specific events are "created" from recurring events
in the "description" table,
they could be altered for that specific occurrence without affecting future
creation of recurring events.

Weaknesses in this approach?????????

Rick




-----Original Message-----
From: Joshua Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 2:43 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: How to handle Calendar Scheduling of Recurring Events?


Personally, I would advise AGAINST using 2 tables for event storage ...
It could get messy. If you use the link table then they're all treated
the same, you just select everything from the tblEventDates table that's
within the current date range that the calender is displaying or
searching. If there's only one instance then that's fine, if there are
30 then that's fine too - it's all the same. I would think that using 2
tables for storing the "events" would be pointless. You could accomplish
the same thing using one table for events and one for event dates.

For "First Tuesday of Each Month" you would just need to (perhaps)
predefine a list of these types of events. Maybe 3 fields on the form:

[number] [day of week dropdown] [datepart dropdown]
Ie:
[2] [Tuesday] [Month] [SUBMIT]

Then use CF to pre-determine the dates for the timespan before shoving
them in the dates table.


Just my opinion though, worth what it cost you :)

Joshua Miller
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Garrison Enterprises Inc.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 11:54 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: How to handle Calendar Scheduling of Recurring Events?


I'm going to have to give all the input some thought...
a lot of good input...thanks, everyone.

A couple of notes:

This calendar function doesn't have to
bother with overlapping events or show duration.  Just when it starts.
So duration doesn't have to be a factor like it would be in a scheduling
function for a room or something like that.

Also, I don't *think* anyone's approach so far has addressed a problem
with how many recurring community events are scheduled...e.g. "First
Tuesday of each month"...  That causes the date of each month to be
different depending on the month.  I guess I could just code the
function to find the date of the "First Tuesday of each month", then I'd
be set. Right?

Another thing...

How about having two tables for the app...one that holds "one-time"
events and another that holds recurring events with extra fields for
denoting frequency, etc. Then when the calendar processes, output events
from the table of "one-time" events, then have the code search the table
of "recurring" events which have events matching the display date
range...say for the month of February.

Joshua, you hit upon a problem of rescheduling a recurring event for
just one of the times it happens...e.g. next month's meeting will be
rescheduled from the "2nd to the 3rd Tuesday of the month".  The only
way to allow rescheduling would be for the event to have an actual
record in the "one-time" events table. That could happen if the
recurring events table mentioned above was used to insert specific
instances of a recurring event into the "one-time" events table. That
table would then provide the event data for display. (That's the first
way I can think of immediately...)

Finally...

Like Neil suggested and Joshua pointed out, in order to have "granular"
control over event date/time changes, I could just allow all recurring
events to be inserted as individual occurences in the db, for up to,
perhaps, the next 2 years, which would allow annual events to be
schedule for the next 2 years, and would keep the table down to about
5,000 events covering 2 years, assuming about 50 events per week, both
one-time and recurring events.

Then, with each passing week, when the calendar is processed and
displayed, the code adds another week's worth of events from the
recurring events table. It would amount to keeping 2 years worth of
records in the table at once. If required by a client, the time-span of
2 years could be increased if they needed to show more years for
recurring annual events.  ???

Of course, if scheduling certain locations and times was an issue, then
the code could be adjusted to check for conflicts...

More thoughts?

Rick


-----Original Message-----
From: Joshua Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 9:59 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: How to handle Calendar Scheduling of Recurring Events?


Actually, rethinking things, a multi-insertion isn't all that bad of an
idea - just using a linked table.

What if the event has one day out of the recurrence that's an oddity -
like if they need to push a Monday meeting to Tuesday one week. If it's
a multi-insertion then you could actually let them edit the individual
instances of the event by adding another record to the events table and
then perhaps reference a "alteration" to a particular event.

I think that using a linked table with only dates would give you more
granular control over the individual event occurrences. In real life,
things get pushed and shoved around to fit into schedules. If they don't
get edited then it's no big deal, using a linked table doesn't actually
use a whole lot of storage space. Besides, drive space is cheap,
processing power is more costly.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
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Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 9:49 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: How to handle Calendar Scheduling of Recurring Events?


nah, dont worry, us Celts have thicker skin that that... I did see what
you meant, and I didnt mean it to be a multi insertion etc....



-----Original Message-----
From: webguy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 14 January 2003 14:47
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: How to handle Calendar Scheduling of Recurring Events?


> Thats just stupid

Sorry that sounded rude when I reread it! I'll post my solution in a mo.






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