I didn't mean to imply that .NET should be disregarded entirely. I simply meant that it isn't really an issue in the market J2EE already dominates, which CF is a part of.
Matt Liotta President & CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ 888-408-0900 x901 > -----Original Message----- > From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 11:11 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Re: MM Pricing Problem on CFMX for J2EE > > Matt, > > I respect your opinion, but I can't agree with disregarding .NET > entirely. I mean after all, you would be on .NET right now if it wasn't > for CFMX. (and a lot of people have CFMX running on Windows) IMO j2ee is > a much more robust architecture, but .NET has some strengths & and adds > tight integration across all MS technology. With the amount of > MCSE/MCADs out there, j2EE will have a tough fight over the coming > years, as these MCSE/MCADs aren't going to be recommending a new foreign > technology to companies that already employ MS solutions. > > But I guess the bottom line is... CF used to be the cheapest fastest way > to develop. However right now, I could be underbid by a .NET house just > on server price, and all the "J2ee is the de facto" talk in the world, > isn't going to mean much to clients who have been with MS for years. > > My point IS that it IS CFMX vs .NET. And I care about both. > > Adam Wayne Lehman > Web Systems Developer > Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health > Distance Education Division > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 5:14 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Re: MM Pricing Problem on CFMX for J2EE > > Yes, but who cares about .NET? Certainly many people do and those people > might also care about price, but J2EE is the de facto standard at this > point and CFMX's price fits well within that market, which is the > market(TM) to be in. > > Matt Liotta > President & CEO > Montara Software, Inc. > http://www.montarasoftware.com/ > 888-408-0900 x901 > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 5:02 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: RE: Re: MM Pricing Problem on CFMX for J2EE > > > > Those prices are pretty hefty in comparison to .NET. With .NET you > need > > only one server too. I believe win2k is around $1100 and advanced at > 3k. > > Makes me wonder if MM is trying to compete at all. > > > > Adam Wayne Lehman > > Web Systems Developer > > Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health > > Distance Education Division > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 1:33 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: Re: Re: MM Pricing Problem on CFMX for J2EE > > > > Cantrell, > > This is what i found on Macromedia.com > > > > Prices on MM with NO Subsciption > > ColdFusion MX for JRun(1 CPU) = US $3,399 > > ColdFusion MX for JRun(2 CPU) = US $6.798 > > JRun 4(1 CPU License) = US $899 > > JRun 4(2 Cpu License) = US $1799 > > > > Basically 2 CPU box cost = US $8597 > > > > Is this right information? if you have CF4.5 Ent and above, take 30% > off > > discount through Macromedia Volume License Program(MVLP). > > > > 6.798-2039.40(30%)=4758.60+1799(Jrun) > > ColdFusion MX for JRun(2 CPU) = US $6557.60 > > > > The above is what i understand. Stacy.. are we on the same page? > > I think MM should Bundle JRUN+CFMX and maybe get the Price > > Competitive... > > > > Joe Eugene > > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Christian Cantrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: 02/03/03 03:24 PM > > To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: MM Pricing Problem on CFMX for J2EE > > > > > > > > For CFMX for J2EE Application Servers licensing issues, take a look > at > > > > the FAQ below: > > > > http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/j2ee/productinfo/faq/ > > > > Specifically, for those interested in transferring licenses, see: > > > > > http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/j2ee/productinfo/faq/#700 > > > > Finally, the ColdFusion MX for J2EE License Transfer Page: > > > > http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/j2ee/special/ > > license_transfer/ > > > > Information on how to contact your local reseller is available at the > > URL above. > > > > Christian > > > > On Monday, February 3, 2003, at 11:51 AM, Chris White wrote: > > > > > Interesting - I have been running a few ColdFusion Ent. servers > since > > > > > 4.5 and we had purchased a 2 year support agreement. The support > runs > > > > > out this year. > > > > > > I would like to move to a J2EE version but based on what you were > told > > > > > makes a person wonder what to do. I have paid enough for the Ent. > > > versions. > > > > > > I don't see any value in the Ent. version any more. It does not > share > > > > > sessions across multiple servers like the versions before > > > ColdFusionMX. I would like to move to Java Sessions but I need a > Java > > > > > Application server like JRUN or Websphere to manage the sessions. > > > Wish that if I go to J2EE and started with JRUN that if down the > road > > > > > I moved to Websphere I could do that without another cost. What is > a > > > > > person to do? > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Stacy Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 11:01 AM > > > To: CF-Talk > > > Subject: MM Pricing Problem on CFMX for J2EE > > > > > > There are so many questions about license issues and what is > > > Macromedia going to do to entise me to move to a J2EE version. > > > > > > When CFMX came out we immediately upgraded on internal servers...we > > > would have like to purchase the J2EE version (for WebLogic) but it > > > wasn't out yet...so we purchased the Enterprise standalone version > for > > > > > use until J2EE was out.... > > > > > > I was just told it will cost $2800+ to transfer each license to the > > > J2EE version!!!! There must be some mistake...can someone form MM > > > please comment? 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