Hello,

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http://www.editingmadeeasy.com
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This product is geared for most small businesses.  It provides the
flexibility of site updates, enforces business rules, and is completely
software independent.  It does not require *anything* other than FTP on the
webserver serving the site to be edited.  

The current version does not support versioning, but that is in the works.

- j

james curran
technical director
nylon technology
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-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Meloche [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 12:52 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Content Management Systems - a short list...


Dave, thanks for the reply.  CommonSpot and Site Executive seem to be pretty
common recommendations.  I know both were covered in recent CFDJ articles,
as well as a few other systems (NQContent and Ektron).  Time to dig out my
old issues! :-)

>Most CMSs don't actually store the images themselves in the database, 
>but rather just where the images are stored on the filesystem.

True.  Ours stores images on the file system, but documents are stored in
the database.  Both have led to many problems.  See below.

>> DB should act as a STORAGE mechanism and NOT DYNAMIC, in most
>> cases (This is not how the existing system works).
>
>I'm not sure what you mean by this.

I would like the actual content to be static on the web server.  It would be
managed from the system.  Versions would be stored in the database and
published to the server via FTP or CFFILE, so that the content would exist
statically.

Right now, almost all of the content on the website is served up dynamically
from the database.  This leads to a complete collapse of the website when
the database goes down.  This seems pointless, since most of the content
doesn't change much.  If the content was published statically, but stored in
the database for management purposes, that would eliminate this problem.
Only dynamic pages would be affected by the database going down.

>> Oracle 8i/9i - DB maintenance available OUTSIDE of system
>> (Isn't this an issue with NQCONTENT?)
>
>I'm not exactly sure what you mean by this, either.

I took a look at NQCONTENT while at Devcon, and read its review in CFDJ.
The problem with it, if I remember correctly, is you have to surrender
database maintenance to the CMS.  In other words, the DBAs and I couldn't
use Oracle software, SQLPlus, TOAD or SQL Navigator to maintain the
database.  It's set up almost like you would use PHPMyAdmin to manage a
MySQL database online (just an example - I know there are MySQL clients - I
like MySQLCC, and have had good experiences with it so far).  If anyone's
used NQCONTENT out there, and can prove/disprove this, I would love to hear
from you in this thread!

>CommonSpot meets all these requirements, and I think Site Executive 
>does too. CommonSpot uses a pretty simple browser-based interface for 
>managing content, but you need to run Windows/IE to get the most out of 
>this, I think.

Windows and IE 6 are the standards here.  There are many versions of Windows
in use here, but everyone runs IE 6, so this shouldn't be a problem.

>> RELATIVELY EASY TO GET UP AND RUNNING
>> Relatively easy to customize, if necessary
>
>CommonSpot is pretty easy to get up and running. However, I think that 
>these two goals are opposed, to a certain degree. In general, it seems 
>to me that the easier it is to get started, the harder it is to 
>customize. Systems like Spectra (and FarCry also, I assume) are very 
>customizable, since they're really more like toolsets than 
>applications.

I realize that.  I would like something that would allow both, if possible.
Of course, I am a customization wizard :-), so I am not too worried about
that.  As long as I have access to the source code, that shouldn't be an
issue.  My main issue is that I want to be able to get the system up and
running as quickly as possible, so that we don't have to manage two CMSs and
two versions of the content for very long.

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