Hmmm...OK..so why even build a web app....why not build a client/server app? I guess knowing what they do would help....but anyways...back to work ;-)
Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP & Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] --------------------------------------------------------- Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com --------------------------------------------------------- Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder & Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Wilker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 1:11 PM Subject: RE: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? > Nope they are independent. That's why CF is not cost effective. Were they to > connect to a single server there wouldn't be a problem > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 12:44 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? > > > Well if your little devices are using web apps why would you need a licence > per device? Do these devices not connect to a web server that is serving up > these apps? Wouldn't you only need a licence for that server? > > Perhaps I missed something. > > Oh ya...and there are cheap versions (Standard)...and as Matt L. > said....BlueDragon > > Cheers > > Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. > VP & Director of E-Commerce Development > Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. > t. 250.920.8830 > e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > --------------------------------------------------------- > Macromedia Associate Partner > www.macromedia.com > --------------------------------------------------------- > Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group > Founder & Director > www.cfug-vancouverisland.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Wilker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 12:38 PM > Subject: RE: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? > > > > Exactly Matt, > > > > Whenever the topic of which app server to go to price has almost > > always > been > > what kills CF in my experience. When money is no option it's fine, but > money > > is more and more becoming the object. > > > > It's one thing to say CF is still cheaper than BEA or whatever on a > > per > CPU > > type of deal, but the small shop that has a single CPU webserver, > > doesn't really car that they are saving money compared to the BEA > > licenses they're not interested in. > > > > The one thing (I've said it before) that I'd love to see would be some > sort > > of low cost version of CF (no verity, maybe less DB support, maybe no > > sandboxes and such) that can be used on devices that use a web app. My > > company sells such devices and I'd love it if all of them ran CF apps, > > but 1k - 5k per unit is way too much for software. (Our units also > > only have > one > > CPU) > > > > I wish I could propose a model that lets MACR charge less or nothing > > for > MM > > but I know they need to make money. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Matt Blatchley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 12:06 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: RE: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? > > > > > > I would think one reason is the cost of the CFServer. Every person > > I've talked to that is outside of the CF development world tells me > > the reason they never got into ColdFusion or don't get into it is > > because of the > cost. > > Although I really enjoy CF, PHP and MySQL are basically free. It's > > very difficult to convince someone to switch from paying nothing to > > having to dump thousand into just owning the license. Then having to > > pay for the > pipe > > and servers on top of the CFlicense costs. Although we are all aware > > of > the > > numerous ways to cut the costs like leasing the license, it still > > deters people for making the jump. Just my experience when I work > > with ASP, PHP, and JSP folks. The competition is too much for MM when > > the competitors products are free, even with the capability issues > > that the others don't offer. > > > > My2cents > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 1:51 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: Re: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? > > > > > > Sure, just take a look at MM's SEC filings. They detail what product > > lines produced what revenues. Generally speaking, the documents lump > > all server-side software sales together, so one could make the > > argument that > it > > is JRun that is actually shrinking and CF. However, having > > participated in the MM earnings conference calls, they tend to break > > down the sales > figures > > better orally. > > > > For example, from their 10-K filling... > > > > Our Software Tools products had net revenues of $270.1 million in > > fiscal year 2003, as compared to $242.5 million in fiscal year 2002. > > This > increase > > was primarily due to the launch of new Software Tools products and new > > versions of existing Software Tools products, including our MX family > > of products and Macromedia Contribute. Macromedia Studio MX, which was > launched > > in the first quarter of fiscal year 2003, represented approximately > > 31% of our net revenues in the current fiscal year. While sales of > > Macromedia Studio MX did result in a decrease in sales of our > > stand-alone products > that > > are included in our Studio MX bundle, aggregate sales from all of our > > MX products increased by 13% in fiscal year 2003 as compared to fiscal > > year 2002. This increase was partially offset by a decline in net > > revenues from our Server Software products, primarily Macromedia > > ColdFusion MX. Server Software product revenues decreased to $53.0 > > million in fiscal year 2003, > as > > compared to $60.1 million in fiscal year 2002. This decrease was > > primarily due to continued pricing pressures resulting from a very > > competitive > market > > environment, partially offset by releases of new versions of existing > > products during the current fiscal year. > > > > -Matt > > > > On Thursday, August 28, 2003, at 02:38 PM, Tyler Silcox wrote: > > > > > Matt wrote: The market for ASP and PHP is growing, while the CF > > > market is shrinking. > > > > > > Do you have any evidence of this, or is it a personal > > > observation/opinion? (I'm not challenging you, I just have a > > > professional curiosity...) > > > > > > Tyler > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 1:48 PM > > > To: CF-Talk > > > Subject: Re: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? > > > > > >> Granted, I pretty much stopped using DW when MX rolled out, but > > >> lots of people love it. You can't expect MM to stop schmoozing it's > > >> pre-existing customer base and ONLY focus on CF. Seriously now, you > > >> don't want all those ASP and PHP folks spending their money > > >> somewhere else - the beauty of it is that all of those people who > > >> buy DW and use it to code PHP and ASP are contributing to the > > >> future of MM and CF with their funds. > > >> > > > I disagree with the above statement. The market for ASP and PHP is > > > growing, while the CF market is shrinking. Certainly, there is > > > reason right now for Macromedia to support ASP, PHP, and CF, but at > > > what point does the size of > > > each respective market force MM to focus DW on only the largest > > > markets, > > > namely ASP and PHP? > > > > > > Matt Liotta > > > President & CEO > > > Montara Software, Inc. > > > http://www.MontaraSoftware.com > > > (888) 408-0900 x901 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
