Why not take Google's lead w/ text only ads?  That would work well w/ both options for 
format.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Wilker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 1:53 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: (Admin) List upgrades
> 
> 
> I wouldn't oppose a banner instead of the existing ads. It 
> may get more
> clicks since the existing footer content is a jumble of text 
> with links and
> such a clean banner or even just clean text that is a link, 
> might be much
> easier for a reader to get.
> 
> There's always gonna be some faction that wants to keep 
> things the same and
> simple. Hence the user base for Pine and Lynx. But at some 
> point we gotta
> move on. HTML email in moderation, as you describe is a good 
> step I think.
> Not all crazy with the sigs and bugs, and graphics and what not, but
> something a little more modern than the current monotony of 
> plain text. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 10:42 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re:(Admin) List upgrades
> 
> 
> Here's the problem. The CF-Talk email seems to be so 
> efficient that few come
> to the HoF site as they get everything in their mail box. 
> This basically
> says to all advertisers that HoF is not a viable place to put 
> ads and they
> shouldn't bother. Now advertising has never gotten us a lot 
> of money, but
> its always been part of my philosophy to have companies pay for the
> resources rather than individuals. 
> The main reason I was asking about HTML mail was not for 
> people to post nice
> sigs or the like but to have the same plain text mail that 
> you get today but
> also have the footer be clean and nice looking. This would 
> mean that the
> links would come out as links and that the advertising on 
> bottom would be a
> call to a real banner ad. 
> Would this add to the message size? No as it would involve setting the
> mimetype to html rather than text (no additional characters) 
> and removing
> the text ad for a img call (no web bugs, just plain src, 
> which is usually
> smaller). My only fear in doing so would be that it would 
> alienate some of
> our subscribers. What I could do is start out with the plain 
> text message
> and HTML footer and then build an HTML parsing engine that 
> will take a post
> and remove ALL HTML other than standard formatting like B, I, 
> and the like.
> No images, no web bugs, no tables, no colors. Just text 
> formatting. That
> would keep things small and still give the emphasis that 
> people want to
> convey with their messages.
> 
> I'd love a real, live NNTP feed from the lists and such a thing may be
> possible. The way to get it is to either get some software 
> that does it,
> write up a full bridge along with running an NNTP server or 
> push so much
> business to iMS that Howie says its worth it to build an NNTP 
> server into
> iMS. I'd prefer the last option as it would be so cool and 
> tight with the
> system that already exists here. 
> 
> 
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