I personally think CF has its own Advantages and Disadvantages compared to
Asp.
Asp with JScript has a stronger type language and real feel of oop
programming
more than of scripting. VbScript okay...language feels like talking yuk!
Inspite of more coding for database connectivity and such, ADO has its own
advantages
of server side cursors and data manipulation at the server level.\
Well, having said all these with microsofts .Net and C sharp, i guess will
be whole new story.... Allaire better come up with something more "Sturdy"
Best Regards
Joe
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From: "Zachary Bedell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 5:26 PM
Subject: RE: What I want in CF (was: Learning ASP)
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> > This brings up an interesting point. As CF developers,
> > we're used to getting lots of functionality in the base CF
> > product, without having to rely on third-party addins.
> > Is this what we should expect?
> >
> > For example, I'd much rather have the CF developers fix
> > other problems within CF, such as memory management and
> > stability issues, or the COM interface, than fixing CFHTTP,
> > CFMAIL, and the rest, because those I can replace on my own.
> > I can't do a whole lot about how CF manages memory, though.
> >
> > Maybe our expectations are a bit high, after all. I suspect
> > you wouldn't hear ASP developers complaining about the lack
> > of HTTP client functionality built into ASP;
>
> (Yeah... You'll hear me complain about it alright. I deal, but I'll
> still complain, goddarnit....)
>
> > they expect to have to use third-party products to fill
> > functionality gaps. Why should CF developers be different
> > in that regard?
>
> Well.... I can think of one REALLY good reason why ASP users might
> deal without nifty things like built in HTTP, etc. where CF users
> might insist on said functionality:
>
> Cost of ASP: $0.00
> Cost of ColdFusion: $1199.95 (From Necx.com)
>
> Granted you need a WinNT Server license for ASP, but I end up needing
> that for CF too, so that doesn't count... And at 854.99, a 5-user
> copy of Win2k Server is STILL cheaper than ColdFusion Pro.
>
> Certainly, things like memory usage, stability, etc. should be fixed
> be as a priority. I just think that things like CFHTTP or CFMAIL
> that just barely work should either be fixed or removed. There's
> ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSE for releasing a $1200 product that has as many
> bugs and requires as many kludged work around as CF 4.5.1 does. If
> Allaire doesn't want to take the time to do CFHTTP, etc. right, then
> remove them from the product. Then they need to stop advertising
> that the product "includes" those things when the majority of users
> can't use them & need to buy third party replacements anyways.
>
> Am I completely alone here? Or do others share my (slightly
> exasperated) options of Allaire's programming practices?
>
> Best regards,
> Zac
>
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