right then and there u dont but im assuming u want to actually dispaly the resulting 
data in somewhat or any kind of a viewable format 
[quote]com.bluefinger.mediator.getMeA()[/quote]
looks pretty crappy on a screen by itself and 99.9% of the page viewers will have no 
idea what it even means,

but if ur writing 

<div id="content">
 <!--- navbar to the right side of main content 20px --->
 <ul>
  <li>#datafrom.com.bluefinger.mediator.getMeA()#</li>
 </ul>
</div>

then position it with css

if ur good enough to position everything without looking, then i bow at your feet

but i look at bluefinger.com and it doesnt validate so u must not use that anyways

what i say i do is that im starting to use the forward thinking style of sites and use 
them without tables or frames(which i would never use anyways), make them accessable 
to everyone.
and maybe if u were really good u could do it without looking but most of us will 
never be there.

if all u write is the cfm code then give it to a designer then of course u dont need 
it, thats just basic common sense but some ppl do more than just writing cfm code

:)




---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: Thomas Chiverton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:  Tue, 2 Nov 2004 09:55:16 +0000

>On Tuesday 02 Nov 2004 04:15 am, dave wrote:
>> [quote]>I'd argue that you shouldn't be desiging or working on the two
>> > halves (front
>> >end presentation, backend gubbins) at the same time, certainly in a
>> > project of any size or complexity.[/quote]
>>
>> thats not really true, if ur making forward thinking or compatible websites
>> u really need to be able too see the positioning
>
>Why do I need to be able to see the positioning of something when I'm half way 
>through writing com.bluefinger.mediator.getMeA() ?
>
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