Lol. This is funny because its true. However, I'm not buying any of
those CF shirts. And yes, good taste has robbed me of many things.

In all honesty though, CF as a server is cheap. MS gives away .NET
only because they can afford to bundle it with the OS. A 12k price tag
on Flex is still cheap when compared to purchasing websphere or just a
single oracle database.

-Adam

On 8/11/05, dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> would you like it to come with your name etched in gold on the cd and the box 
> customized with your pic and have it hand delivered to your door and only 
> include the features you want in it. And if they did and you had to pay more 
> than a nickle for it you'd still bitch about it.
> 
>  It was funny the other night at our cfug we were talking about how frickin 
> cheap cfm developers are, whining and crying if they gotta spend more than a 
> buck for anything and its so true!!! Most of you are even too cheap to buy 
> one of Wills cfm shirts and show your support, I mean really, It's PATHETIC, 
> people be ashamed of yourselfs because this is what hurts our community. If 
> WIll made PHP or Flash or .crap shirts they'd be all bought up in a heart 
> beat. Lets be real you guys make good money but you act so broke, come 
> on!!!!!!!!! We figured in our our area (denver) that $45 an hour was fairly 
> low for cfm dev'r too make. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
> 
>  I may whine about ms but at least I spent money on it and therefore have a 
> reason but this crap with you guys bitching about stuff and it not being free 
> is really lame......
> 
>  " but now it costs too much money."
>  So you make multi-million dollar apps but can't spend a couple of bucks on 
> something that helps you make a living???
>  Or you cant take 5 minutes to download the plugins you want? btw~ doesnt rob 
> have a package download for cfm?
>  Thats pathetic period!!!
> 
> ~Dave the disruptor~
> "A criminal is a person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient 
> capital to form a corporation."
> 
> ----------------------------------------
> From: "Micha Schopman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 8:31 AM
> To: CF-Talk <cf-talk@houseoffusion.com>
> Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced
> 
> But does that zip contain a full IDE implementing the list I mentioned?
> I haven't seen one yet. When someone stands up, and builds an installer
> encapsulating this all you have a winner, but now it costs too much
> money.
> 
> Micha Schopman
> Project Manager
> 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: dinsdag 9 augustus 2005 9:51
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced
> 
> Installer? What can simpler than downloading a zip - unzip it, copy it
> to a
> folder and click on Eclipse.exe - no reg keys, not added bloat.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 08 August 2005 20:55
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced
> 
> The lack of a descent one in all installer is currently holding back
> Eclipse. People don't have the time to go through the entire process, of
> downloading Eclipse, downloading the Web toolkit, downloading the
> prequisites of that toolkit, downloading CFEclipse, etc.
> 
> If they managed to put this all into one package, so that you get easily
> started with an Eclipse installation where you can edit
> xml,xsl,javascript,(x)html,css,cfml,php without going to that proces.
> And
> maybe it is there already, and I just did not searched good enough ;)
> 
> As far as DW 8 concerned. For me personally the real good feature is
> code
> collapse, but I hope they didn't took the CFStudio/Homesite codebase for
> this functionality, because everybody who used it in those old products,
> knows that when you collapsed a large amount of code, scrolling the
> document
> was a pain in the ass. So at least I hope that they did look at this
> "feature".
> 
> I like the enhanced compliance tests showed in the demo on the MM site,
> but
> for some reason I hope for more. Like that they
> - fixed the numerous issues involved with the treeview in DWMX
> - crashes when searching through folders with find & replace (and they
> occured on specific xml files)
> - showing the directory path of a occurence within search results so
> that I
> might now which one of the 1001 index.cfm's in the results belongs to
> which
> project.
> - step into, just like Eclipse has on folders
> - enabling selection and printing of the reference inside DW
> - fixing the lookup of selections on search
> - split code view, like cfstudio had
> - breakdown of cfc's in a project
> 
> If they at least payed attention to the treeview they have a buyer, but
> I
> hope they improve the support of the product. I don't understand why
> there
> haven't been released more updaters for DWMX 2004. I hope they pay more
> attention to existing customers :)
> 
> Micha
> 
> 
> 
> 

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