Why is weborb even in this conversation? mike chambers
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Vince Bonfanti wrote: > CF's built-in Flash gateway *is* a middle tier, just like WebORB. And, no, > you probably wouldn't want to use WebORB to invoke CFCs on CFMX (assuming > it's even possible). > > Vince > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 2:41 PM >>To: CF-Talk >>Subject: RE: Ajax and CFCs >> >>I agree, it seems like the performance would be much better >>to invoke the calls directly from the application server, >>especially as the application and the client already natively >>understand each other... >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Kevin Aebig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:27 PM >>To: CF-Talk >>Subject: RE: Ajax and CFCs >> >>I'm a little foggy on why I'd call a middle tier like WebORB >>to handle my web service calls when I can easily use CF's >>built in Flash gateway or open source AMF-based alternatives? >> >>Cheers, >> >>Kevin >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Vince Bonfanti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Sent: August 15, 2005 8:21 AM >>To: CF-Talk >>Subject: RE: Ajax and CFCs >> >>I think it helps to understand the WebORB architecture, which >>is best explained on their web site: >> >> http://www.themidnightcoders.com/weborb/aboutWeborb.htm >> >>WebORB is first of all a server (its full name is "WebORB Presentation >>Server") that acts as a "gateway" or "broker" that allows >>rich clients (Flash or JavaScript/AJAX) to invoke server-side >>objects. In the case of JavaScript/AJAX, WebORB allows >>clients to use a single protocol--implemented by the WebORB >>Rich Client System--to invoke a variety of server-side objects. >> >>Once you realize it's the WebORB server that's actually >>invoking CFCs (on behalf of the client), and not the client >>invoking CFCs directly, then it should be clear that invoking >>the CFCs on BlueDragon directly makes more sense than >>invoking them via web services. It doesn't make sense to use >>web services protocols to invoke objects that reside on the >>same local server--the performance is much better to invoke >>them directly. >> >>Vince Bonfanti >>http://blog.newatlanta.com >> >>New Atlanta Communications, LLC >>http://www.newatlanta.com >> >> >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 9:34 AM >>>To: CF-Talk >>>Subject: RE: Ajax and CFCs >>> >>>Vince, >>> >>>Have there been any specific reasons you know of for taking such a >>>proprietary approach or was it mainly aimed towards best >> >>performance >> >>>because of its close integration? >>> >>>Micha Schopman >>>Project Manager >>> >>>Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel >> >>033-4535377, >> >>>Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 >>> >>>-------------------------------------------------------------- >>>---------- >>>-------------------------------------------------------------- >>>---------- >>>----- >>>Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen >> >>verbeteren >> >>>de interactie met uw doelgroep. >>>Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? >>>Voor meer informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl >>>-------------------------------------------------------------- >>>---------- >>>-------------------------------------------------------------- >>>---------- >>>----- >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Vince Bonfanti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>Sent: maandag 15 augustus 2005 13:33 >>>To: CF-Talk >>>Subject: RE: Ajax and CFCs >>> >>>Jim, >>> >>>The WebORB implementation doesn't use SOAP or web services >> >>to invoke >> >>>CFCs on BlueDragon--instead, WebORB invokes them directly via >>>BlueDragon's internal APIs. >>> >>>Also, WebORB works with both the Java/J2EE and .NET editions of >>>BlueDragon. >>> >>>Vince Bonfanti >>>http://blog.newatlanta.com >>> >>>New Atlanta Communications, LLC >>>http://www.newatlanta.com >>> >>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:04 AM >>>>To: CF-Talk >>>>Subject: RE: Ajax and CFCs >>>> >>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>From: Mike Chambers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 12:51 AM >>>>>To: CF-Talk >>>>>Subject: Re: Ajax and CFCs >>>>> >>>>>There is nothing there that couldn't be done with CFMX (or >>>> >>>>any other >>>> >>>>>server language). >>>>> >>>>>It is a simple request / response using AJAX. JavaScript >>>> >>>>sends data to >>>> >>>>>ColdFusion, ColdFusion sends a response back, JavaScript >>>> >>>>updates the page. >>>> >>>>My guess (nothing more) is that it the same problem that >> >>other SOAP >> >>>>implementations have: they don't like each other. >>>> >>>>MS implementations work great with .NET service but bomb on CFMX >>>>services for example. CF implementations work great in >> >>some places >> >>>>and blow up in others... >>>> >>>>In my experience these problems, once dug out, are pretty >>> >>>small - but >>> >>>>that doesn't matter because it seems the implementers >> >>don't really >> >>>>care all that much - it works for what they want it to work >>> >>>with and >>> >>>>everybody else can just toe the line or use something else. >>>> >>>>It's also very likely (because SOAP isn't all that simple) that >>>>they're using some off-the-shelf implementation inside this thing. >>>>And if that implementation doesn't support CF SOAP/WSDL then this >>>>thing won't. >>>> >>>>Jim Davis >>>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215030 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
