> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 6:25 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: CF Licensing on VMs?
> 
> Jim there is nothing cheap about VMWare. Although they will pitch the
> whole 'sever consolidation' aspect as a major benefit, we're finging
> it really isn't.
> The bottom line is that it's a heck of alot cheaper to purchase 2 dual
> CPU servers than it is to purchase 1 quad CPU server. The gap gets
> larger and larger the more CPUs you are talking about. How much are
> you paying for a 32-way?

I'm not paying for a thing - this is an enterprise solution we're being told
to adopt.  When you employ 50 or 60 thousand people you've gotta start
dividing up the labor.  ;^)

The physical servers and data centers already exist - we're just being told
move our legacy stuff onto/into them.
 
> Then you get into alot of other issues like network cards and traffic
> because your not just sharing CPU, you are sharing other resources you
> traditionaly havent shared before. Enter the single point of failure.
> If you have one 32-way, you'll probably want a second for
> redundancy....

I've got nothing at all to say about it - I'm actually several areas removed
from that: I (a developer) talks to our project management team who sets up
meeting with the "Web Infrastructure and Design" team who manages
steady-state servers.  They would then talk to the "Internet Engineering and
Design" about things like capacity planning, servers needed and the like.
They would, in turn, talk to the Siemans managed "System Lifecycle
management team" to actually obtain hardware or server space.

In there you've also got a team who only job is manage Security access
(firewall, domain security, etc) another who manages all access to the
mainframe (our app replicates data from the mainframe) and several others
who control middle tier data layers.

It's SO MUCH FUN!  ;^)

Jim Davis




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