Yes...they have to be able to submit the form with no data.  The application is 
a "configurator", which allows the user to configure a machine.  The user is 
not required to configure all of the components of a machine--which are handled 
by the form.

Thanks,
Brad


> I don't know about fixing your problem, but you don't want people to
> submit an empty form anyway, do you?  You can use the validation in 
> the
> CF form fields (cfinput, cfselect, etc.), or build your own JS
> validation...anything to make sure the data you need is there (and
> valid) before the form is submitted.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Brad Haas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 2:10 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: Form Scope Problems
> > 
> > I'm having a really hard time with losing the form scope 
> > variables on CFMX 7.  I have a pretty simple form that posts 
> > to a CF page.  The form contains a couple of radio buttons 
> > and a select box.  The select box name is dynamically 
> > generated, but it shows correctly when I view the page source 
> > from the browser.  
> > 
> > On the page that processes the form, I check for a certain 
> > form variable.  If the variable is defined--I output the 
> > variable.  Pretty simple stuff, but it is really giving me a 
> > headache.  If the form is submitted without selecting 
> > anything...the form field is missing.  If I select anything 
> > on the form and submit it, the form variable magically 
> > appears.  I'm not sure if anyone can replicate this, but here 
> > are the steps you can to to try.
> > 
> > (1) Create a form that posts to a second CF page.
> > (2) Add two radio buttons to the form with the same name.
> > (3) Add a select field to the form with a unique name and a 
> > few options (including one with value="").
> > 
> > (4) On the processing page check to see if the select field 
> > is defined and dump the form variable.
> > 
> > I've been researching this (via Google Groups, MM, etc.) for 
> > the past few hours and have seen similar problems with no 
> > solution. Some things to note:
> > 
> > * I've ensured that the form completly loads--so missing form 
> > data is not the problem.
> > 
> > * I used the LiveHTTP headers extension for Firefox, and it 
> > shows that the form fields are being passed in every instance.
> > 
> > * The form data only disappears when I select nothing on the 
> > form before it is submitted.
> > 
> > * I don't think radio buttons are passed unless they are 
> > selected, but the  select box is passed--even with an empty value.
> > 
> > * I can replicate the problem with FF and IE.
> > 
> > I look forward to hearing everyones thoughts.
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