Oh, my bad. Whoever wants help with Remoting I can do a Breezo to walk folks through it.
Since you think it is on topic and the powers that be won't hit me over the knuckles, I'll respond. I agree with "test on your own stuff" but when going to a production environment, hence your clients shared hosting space, you HAVE to test the site or app you've built within that environment. At this point you could have bugs running rampit. Most people have sites up that are worse than beta stuff anyways, in terms of code. That's why I am 100% with you in saying get a dedicated box if you are worried about others. The way it sounds, you never put code on a shared server unless you know it is 100% working and has no bugs. If so, you are rare. So you know, I don't use shared servers anymore but when I did, and for those I know who still do, you have to test in the production environment before you can say a project is ready. While you are testing, IMO, that is a beta version of the product. or site. Not doing so isn't justice for the product or client. My opinions... On 2/26/06, dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Actually I didn't ask for help with remoting was just responding. > > As far as what you say about hosting, I totally disagree. If you are on a > shared host in a production enviroment you shouldn't be allowed to do beta > tests or anything even remotely close to that, do that on your dev machine > or get your own server for your experiments. It's a production machine and > not just yours but hundreds of other peoples as well and beta and > experiments aren't for production servers, why would you think they > are? Next time your server is crashing just think "oh hey I bet that's > someone testing their beta product or code", I'm sure your customers will be > real happy with that answer when they ask whey their site is going down a > lot, it's bad enough with ppl running bad code. > > Personally, I don't think it's off topic because we are talking about a > technical issue and I would be curious to see what others say about it. I > have been on servers that go down a lot and ppl say "oh thats just > coldfusion server" but then I move to an new server and it purrs along with > no problems then I find out it's because someones "experimental" code. Of > course I could be wrong and shame on me for using a shared server and take > the lumps and bumps but if everyone on a server had commen sense and didn't > use it for their personal playground they wouldn't be crashing. If that's > what you want get a dedicated server. > > ~Dave the disruptor~ > > ---------------------------------------- > From: "John C. Bland II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 8:35 PM > To: CF-Talk <cf-talk@houseoffusion.com> > Subject: Re: Getting data into Flash 8 > > I don't want to go into a hosting dispute but any host who controls my > content and/or files is a bad one. That means, any product I develop that > is > in beta stage can't be posted on their server which may be my testing > environment. It just contradicts the idea of purchasing X GB's/mo (or > mb's) > for you to use for your own personal or business use if the content is > filtered. That's utterly ludicrous for a host to do such a thing. > > These are just my opinions. I promise I won't respond to your hosting > comments if you decide to respond to this. I know this post has gone WOT. > > Anyways, did you get the Remoting going? If you want side help I'd be more > than willing to jump into Breeze and show you hands-on how to do it. Just > let me know off list. > > Thanks, > > On 2/26/06, dave wrote: > > > > I'd call them a good host or any in that matter who makes sure stuff > > (especially beta products) aren't installed on a shared production > server. > > > > If your host lets you put whatever you want up, I would certain run like > a > > mofo the other direction. > > > > ~Dave the disruptor~ > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > From: "John C. Bland II" > > Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 4:59 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: Re: Getting data into Flash 8 > > > > LOL. I'd like to talk to those hosts to see what their issue was. It is > > like > > them telling you no to putting Pear on the server. It isn't their call. > > You > > pay for space...put what you want on the server, as long as it is legal. > > As > > said, it doesn't take the host to install it. Again, amfphp is nothing > > more > > than a set of files you put on your server. > > > > Although Adobe has the patent I HIGHLY doubt they would nix other amf > > products. That will just limit Flash's use with other technologies which > > would be dumb. There is a free Remoting gateway for .net as well and > about > > 2 > > or 3 for php. They would be dumb to stop it and I say they would never > do > > it > > especially since MM was becoming so community driven and Adobe is > > continuing, and bettering it seems (hence the Flex 2 pricing, etc), to > > work > > with the community. > > > > IMO, Adobe will never tell everyone using amfphp they need to stop. As > > said, > > that would be dumb. > > > > On 2/26/06, dave wrote: > > > > > > As far as the patent goes, yes MM was letting it slide but as we know > MM > > > is no more and Adobe isn't so lenient with their copyrights, which as > > far as > > > i know isn't just remoting it's for the AMF format, so technically > > speaking > > > AMFPHP is running on Adobe's patent. > > > > > > My point to it is, what are all these people going to do that are > > running > > > it IF Adobe decides to pull the pull on them using it? > > > > > > Not trying to dog it just being realistic. > > > > > > " So many times technologies get bad raps due to the lack of > knowledge." > > > Yeah but that was because of prior problems, I remember several hosts > > > telling me no way they'd put it on a shared server one was more like > > "HELL > > > F*CK NO YOU AIN"T COMING ANYWHERE NEAR MY F*CKIN SERVERS WITH THAT > > > SH*T!!!!!!" haha > > > > > > ~Dave the disruptor~ > > > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > > From: "John C. Bland II" > > > Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 2:50 AM > > > To: CF-Talk > > > Subject: Re: Getting data into Flash 8 > > > > > > Hosts had no control over amfphp. The install process was greatly > > > misconstrued by many people. All you had to do was copy 1 folder to > your > > > site root and point the gateway.php file to your class location. That > > was > > > it. As for copyrights, etc MM has widely made it known how they feel > > about > > > amfphp which is they are fine with it. They never had an issue with it > > and > > > doubt they ever will. AMF goes beyond Flash Remoting so I don't know > > > anything about copyrights either company owns. > > > > > > Yes, a full version has been released and it has GREAT improvements! > The > > > documentation is improved as well as the error messages. Check it out > > > amfphp.org . > > > > > > So everyone knows, I am in no way affiliated with amphp folks and do > > > prefer > > > Remoting + CF. I just wanted it to be known that amfphp is just as > easy, > > > if > > > you know PHP. So many times technologies get bad raps due to the lack > of > > > knowledge. > > > > > > Just my 2 cents... > > > > > > On 2/25/06, dave wrote: > > > > > > > > I know previously that amfphp wasnt to be used for commercial sites > > and > > > > that now adobe owns the copyrights on amf which would make a bit > risky > > > to > > > > use. Did it every get out of beta? I remember a lot of hosts wouldnt > > > allow > > > > it to run since it was concidered a big security risk at the time. > > > > > > > > ~Dave the disruptor~ > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > > > From: "John C. Bland II" > > > > Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 6:49 PM > > > > To: CF-Talk > > > > Subject: Re: Getting data into Flash 8 > > > > > > > > Sorry Kevin, AMFPHP is terribly simple to use. It only has 1 more > step > > > > than > > > > CF (which is the method table for restricting access, etc). I wasn't > > > going > > > > to respond but I figured it was nothing but a constructive > > conversation > > > > anyway. :-) > > > > > > > > On 2/24/06, Kevin Aebig wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Haha... remoting with PHP is a lot more difficult. > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Sent: February 24, 2006 1:48 PM > > > > > To: CF-Talk > > > > > Subject: RE: Getting data into Flash 8 > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Dave. I'll check that out. > > > > > > > > > > But yeah, I feel that they do make it complicated...too many steps > > to > > > do > > > > > such a simple thing. How would you feel if you had to go through 6 > > or > > > 7 > > > > > steps just to get some data back from a datasource using > ColdFusion. > > > > > > > > > > You'd probably feel like you were coding in PHP eh? > > > > > > > > > > andy matthews > > > > > web developer > > > > > ICGLink, Inc. > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > 615.370.1530 x737 > > > > > --------------//---------> > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 1:43 PM > > > > > To: CF-Talk > > > > > Subject: RE: Getting data into Flash 8 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MM didn't make it complex, you are making it complex, it ain't > > rocket > > > > > science. > > > > > > > > > > They pretty much do have drag and drop components already built > in, > > > you > > > > > can > > > > > have remoting working in under 30 seconds or there is the data > > > connector > > > > > that's built in that can get data from a cfc or web service, again > > in > > > > > under > > > > > 30 seconds. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/exchange/index.cfm#view=sn106&viewName=Exc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hange%20Search%20Details&loc=en_us&authorid=60639501&page=0&scrollPos=0&subc > > > > > atid=0&snid=sn106&itemnumber=13&extid=1011923&catid=0 > > > > > > > > > > I suggest that you check out all the remoting tutorials at > > > > communitymx.com > > > > > or specifically this one > > > > > http://www.communitymx.com/content/article.cfm?cid=ADF3B > > > > > > > > > > or asfusion.com has quite a bit of info as well. > > > > > > > > > > ~Dave the disruptor~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:233570 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
