>>I think it's time for you to stop contributing to threads on them 
since you have no actually looked at any of the code in frameworks.

Wrong, I had to work on an application developed under FB, so I had to 
learn it.
I know enough about it, and other solutions, to be able to say that FB 
is innecessarily too complex for
most applications.

 >> This thread started as a recomendation on frameworks, not on why not 
to use them.

I'm sorry, but all my messages here where replies to reasons given why 
to use them, especially FB using XML.
If I do not agree with the reason, should I "stop contributing"?

 >> The poster already uses their own homegrown framework and wanted to 
branch out to something that has already been developed.

I also use my own homegrown framework, and I also looked at "already 
developed solutions",
and IMHO, anyone's own experience in this issue is worth to know, would 
it be pro or against
some ideas about framewortks. Sorry if it gives offence to your convictions.

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