Geoff, Actually I brought up FourQ because Charlie Arehart had someone present it as a Reactor alternative at an Atlanta CFUG meeting and he asked why it wasn't on the open-source list. I told him it was because I could not find a seperate download any longer (at this point in time, I don't list SVN repositories - this may change). If that changes, let me know.
Oh, and yes, I think it is a debate of semantics. - Brian Rinaldi blog - http://www.remotesynthesis.com/blog CF Open Source List - http://www.remotesynthesis.com/cfopensourcelist Boston CFUG - http://www.bostoncfug.org On 7/3/06, Geoff Bowers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Brian, > > On 7/3/06, Brian Rinaldi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Not to disagree with you, obviously you know FarCry far better than I, > but > > my email was based upon my experiences with prior and existing versions > of > > FarCry (and was not a criticism). Nonetheless, I do take a bit of issue > with > > calling FarCry a framework. Yes it is extensible and offers you any > number > > of ways of extending the core without modifying the code, but so do most > > other enterprise level CMS systems I have looked at...are they all then > > Frameworks? > > If these CMS systems allow you to build non-CMS solutions then yes > they would be generic application frameworks. I suspect its simply an > issue of semantics -- though I'd argue strongly that my interpretation > of the term "application framework" is widely accepted [1]. > > To take a slightly different tack.. if I can use FarCry to build a > federated login solution for multiple applications, or a shopping cart > system complete with payment gateway and billing integration, or > construct a CRM solution etc. ignoring any CMS features that might be > present -- at what point does it cease to be seen as a CMS? > > The reality is that nearly every web-based application requires a > degree of content management -- it is a commodity requirement. In > order to be described as a framework should we rebuild the FarCry > distribution, stripping out all the built-in CMS options or is it > better to leave them in there and ignore those features when we don't > need them? > > > An argument can be made of this I suppose, but this seems to > > blur the line and perhaps confuse people. I know FourQ used to be > packaged > > seperately from FarCry, but this does not seem to be the case any > > longer...FourQ would appear to be more along the lines of what I would > call > > a framework based on what I know about it at this point...but as the > last > > time I checked I couldn't find it available for download seperately (and > > wasn't what he was asking for anyway)...if it is available let me know > > because I searched in the hopes of adding it to the open source list > > independently. > > FourQ is equivalent to Reactor in terms of its role in FarCry as > compared to Reactor's role in Model Glue Unity. FourQ is really quite > specialised -- and although it has very specific benefits for the > FarCry framework, it's specificity makes it less useful for generic > use than say Reactor which can be more readily swapped in/out as an > ORM. > > FourQ can still be downloaded independently from the FarCry SVN repos. > As we thought we were the only ones using it we've been gradually > internalising the ORM into the FarCry framework. If there was > significant interest I'm sure it would be relatively easy to decouple. > > But again I'm not trying to drum up support for FarCry... really ;) We > use it, we love it -- it's ideal for much of the work we do. And an > increasing amount of that work done in FarCry would not be described > as CMS related. > > Again Is suspect we're not really debating anything more than the > interpretation of the words "application framework". > > All the best, > > -- geoff > http://www.daemon.com.au/ > > [1] http://www.answers.com/topic/application-framework > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:245288 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
