Jeez no, I want real-time debugging back pronto! All for it. You will remember what it was like for "Cold Fusion". I don't see it as a threat what you are asking far from it they just haven't seen it as a necessary edition.
If you get it in their then cool, as Ray would say go/wish! Maybe if they get away from adding Flex this, Flex that you might be lucky... Maybe Jochem has the best host ever :-) the point about it being 10 years old as that the problem exists and someone somewhere must have came up with a solution - my only backbi You must have got a body too long on that mail! Maybe the solution is to get your own SMTP server and send all you mail to that - job done email debug at your fingertips :-p "This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Oriel House, 26 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DL, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions." Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -----Original Message----- From: Mike Kear To: CF-Talk Sent: Sat Jul 29 17:14:18 2006 Subject: Re: CF 8 feature survey Yep. SIlly me. I've been coding ColdFusion for only 9 years. I have more than 40 clients building web sites on my system. I build sites for other clients on their systems too. In all, over the last 9 years I've worked on self-hosted systems and shared hosting systems. In fact I think i've worked on sites on about 6 different hosting centres. Some mine, some were other hosting companies my clients have chosen. My first learning experience all those years ago was with Shanje (SHUDDER!), and lately with HostMySite, and Netspeed and others in between. NOT ONE . .NONE have ever had any plan to allow users to get access to undelivered emails. As i said, i had this fantasy that last week alone I spent 6 hours trying to track down CFMAIL problems that my clients were having in their code. Obviously i was mistaken and was reading the paper all that time instead. The panic emails from my clients asking for help figuring out why their forms weren't working were figments of my imagination. CFMAIL is a tag that gives a lot of heartburn to some users. It was impertinent of me to suggest that perhaps we might make CFMAIL easier for users to code. After all, ColdFusion had that reputation years ago that it was easy to use for neophytes, but "REAL" SERVER PROGRAMS shed that notion really early on. And if Coldfusion is to be a "REAL" SERVER app like .ASP or .PHP it has to be more difficult to use not easier. I dont know what i was thinking. Easier to use. Reduce the time taken to develop and debug. Jeez. That would only get in the way of the headlong rush to force ColdFusion into being a second-class imitation of something else rather than the best in the world at what it does best - something that the java and dotnet and php programmers would envy and whine about to their vendors. NO! We wouldnt want that. We have to continually compare CFMX to other solutions, instead of having THEM follow US. For many shared hosted users it isnt all there. (not their - your spellcheck has led you astray). You dont have experience of shared hosting Neil so I think you should pull your head in on the subject. There are quite a few aspects of CF sites that are different for shared hosted environments. And access to server-level folders and the CF Admin is one of them. It's not essential that CFMAIL be made easier to use and debug. But it would be of assistance to users in shared hosting environments. We were talking about things we'd like to see in CF8. I saw a need and said so but now i wish I hadn't. I think CF would be a little easier and faster to develop with if debugging of that tag was improved. And found a simple thing that could be done to make it easier to debug. Since then you've done nothing but cry it down. I dont know why you see it as such a threat. You wouldnt have to use it. You could still do any debugging the old way. Apparently you think anything that makes CFMX easier to use and debug is a bad thing. I can only imagine you think it makes it less like java or something if it's easier to use. I sure wont make the mistake again of thinking it would be a good thing if CFMX were any easier to use even in a small way. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month On 7/30/06, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That is not what we are saying! The fact here is that you say there is no > way to tell if an email fails - and we know there is - both at server level > and code. > > What more do you need to tell that an email fails? it is all their for you. > > ColdFusion is 10 years old and this is probably that most basic of tags. > Jochen provided a good way hosts deal with the undeliverable. > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:248137 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
