Can you tell me next weeks lottery numbers? This stuff would make Nostrodamus sweat with jealousy.
Unless you are actually on the board at Adobe or have a written transcripts of meetings it's all hear'say and speculation. We have been through this all before, ColdFusion is here, looks and works great, roll on CF8. You simple cannot cut out a project just on your points alone. "This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Gateway House, 28 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DN, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions." Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -----Original Message----- From: Adam Churvis To: CF-Talk Sent: Thu Nov 30 21:31:04 2006 Subject: Re: Sean Corfield, it's time to approve my post > So if he has his stockholders best interests at heart, then it is an > absolute requirement that he and his company listen to what the user > community has to say... Lincoln, I still don't think you get my point, and I must apologize because I think it's my fault for not communicating effectively in the first place. My contention is that the people who really make these decisions are doing so at such a high level that they have no concept of a user community or what it likes or doesn't like, and that the only thing they look at regarding an existing user base is how much it is worth in future dollars based on current trends according to real world assessments from reputable third party analysis firms. They also take advice from these firms regarding potential future growth based on innovations introduced in upgrades. Then they'll probably look at the percentage of overall profit it brings Adobe versus the percentage of overall expenses it is responsible for, and various other metrics having nothing to do with how much people really like the product. Then they'll probably talk to the engineers and ask them how they intend to utilize ColdFusion within the Adobe product line. For example, do they intend to use it with LiveCycle or some other product? They'll probably also look at how Flex fits in, too. Then most likely they'll take a serious look at all those products like LiveCycle and Flex and wonder if they're ever going to make a serious profit for Adobe, and if so then fine. Then they'll probably look at the collection of failing and/or questionable products and ask themselves what their alternatives are. Can they salvage portions within overlapping products? Should they terminate a product and offer crossgrades to existing customers? Open source something that's popular but too much of a burden to carry compared to its forecasted numbers? Abandon their own product in favor of contributing to the open source efforts for another product? And major shareholders don't even have to know what ColdFusion *is*; just what its numbers are likely to do. I sincerely hope that ColdFusion fares well. It's been a very big part of our lives here for nine years, as you know. I just have what I believe is a reasoned opinion on a possible future course of action that Adobe might take, and unfortunately I think I may be right. Let's hope I'm wrong. Respectfully, Adam Phillip Churvis Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 Developer BlueDragon Alliance Founding Committee Get advanced intensive Master-level training in C# & ASP.NET 2.0 for ColdFusion Developers at ProductivityEnhancement.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Lincoln Milner To: CF-Talk Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 3:59 PM Subject: RE: Sean Corfield, it's time to approve my post I think Sean was pretty fair in his assessment. You are discounting the enormous power a user base can have on a product, or a company. You are correct in your statement that Chizen does have a primary financial responsibility to the stockholders. But how does he meet that obligation? According to you it is making the most money he can for Adobe, and to hell to his customers. Now how much money do you think he'll make if he completely ignores the CF community? I'd say that, after some time, he'll be losing money since, if he's not actively engaging the product and improving the product, people will eventually move on to greener pastures. So if he has his stockholders best interests at heart, then it is an absolute requirement that he and his company listen to what the user community has to say. To ignore us, which you have said is likely in the interest of helping the stockholder, only hurts the company's bottom line. But listening to the users brings forth a better product (anyone remember the jump from CF 5 to CF 6? And how about 7? 7.0.2? And what about the rumors of Scorpio?) which a) keeps existing users engaged in a product they know and love, and b) entices new customers with a consistently improved product, which in turn generates revenue, which leads to profit, which ends up making stockholders happy. So, could Adobe dump CF? Yes, if it made sense. Does it make sense given the current user base, the (I'm sure) continuing or increased demand for CF? Not if CF is a profit making Endeavour. And you improve profits by listening to customers. -----Original Message----- From: Adam Churvis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 2:20 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Sean Corfield, it's time to approve my post Sean took this public, so I thought I would respond in public. I saw that post about me that Sean put on his blog a couple of weeks ago, and it was obviously intended to make trouble for me because of the way he titled it and how he took what I said entirely out of context. So I posted a comment to his blog that was simply a lead-in plus my posting in its entirety, so that people could see that Sean was twisting the truth. Now I know that Sean's been on vacation, so I waited until he started posting to his blog again and approving other peoples' comments posted later than my own, but he still hasn't seen fit to display what I actually said alongside his spin. So here's my original post in its entirety... ------------------ > I think the above response is drawing some pretty large conclusions > that aren't based on any substantiated facts. You don't really need (and will probably not have) any substantiated facts at hand when drawing conclusions about future actions a public company might take. All you have is instinct, an understanding of what truly drives public companies, market forces, technology innovations, etc, to guide you. Licking your finger and sticking it in the air to tell which way the wind blows helps, too. How are you ever going to have any substantiated facts that tell you in plain terms what a company definitely will do? The facts that are released to the public have been thoroughly sanitized and neutered by Public Relations and Legal, and the SEC only lets you say certain things (virtually nothing of importance) when mergers are about to happen. I wouldn't even call most of them facts, but rather diversions from the real facts being hidden. I mean, big business is often a poker game, yes? There are things that Chizen is dealing with right now that will determine how Adobe will "handle" its inheritance of the Macromedia product line, and they have absolutely nothing at all to do with any of us or how "cool" some people think ColdFusion is. And federal law dictates that Chizen, as the leader of a publicly traded company, *must* act with sole regard to the betterment of his stockholders' financial positions, as long as those actions do not violate any laws. So let's all stop being naive about ColdFusion's future having anything at all to do with current number of installations, how much you like it, how important it is to you, or anything else that a developer might see as important. It may be hard to swallow, but nothing about you or what you do is of any importance to them whatsoever. ------------------ .....and here is a link to Sean's spin: http://corfield.org/blog/index.cfm/do/blog.entry/entry/Adam_Churvis_thin ks_you_are_not_important How many of you understand that what I said had nothing at all to do with the way Sean twisted it? 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