> I also think that while there's a decent amount of KICKING CF projects,
> there needs to be WAY more, and they need to be way better publicized. Look
> at the stuff that 37 Signals is doing. They're totally piggybacking on the
> popularity of Rails and offering up this fantastic software that just works.

Well, since the guys at 37Signals *created* Rails, it's not a suprise
they're piggybacking on it. One of their big talks is about extracting
Rails (the framework) from Basecamp (the product). Hype serves them on
both sides of the coin -- pushing their framework and their product(s)
built on it.

And as apparently will be my mission in the CF world, I'll just remind you

Rails => framework
Ruby => language

I'd still say *ruby* is not as popular or well known as *rails* is,
and that Ruby is probably comparable in popularity to CF in that it's
*way* behind languages like C#, Java, and PHP. Of course *Rails* is
probably one of the bigger *frameworks*, right up there with Struts.

And finally, it doesn't take a *lot* of "kicking" ColdFusion sites to
get it hyped -- it takes 1 popular, kicking, hyped site. There's a
*lot* of Rails sites, but Basecamp is the one most folks know. CF
needs a similar exemplar, but it will take the whole package of CF and
a framework, etc -- the CF frameworks need a lot more work before they
compare to what's hyped about Rails. Flex is far more likely to be
able to generate hype IMHO.

-- 
John Paul Ashenfelter
CTO/Transitionpoint
(blog) http://www.ashenfelter.com
(email) [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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