Sounds like I spoke too quickly. I will have to give CFObjects a closer look.
At 05:00 PM 12/22/00 -0500, Hal Helms wrote:
>I have to disagree regarding CFObjects, a framework written by my friend,
>Ralph Fiol. CFObjects is completely fleshed out and has been tested by many
>programmers. In fact, version 2 is in beta form right now. While I prefer
>Fusebox as a methodology, I don't think it's fair to say CFObjects isn't
>there yet. Just my opinion...
>
>Hal Helms
>== See www.ColdFusionTraining.com for info on "Best Practices with
>ColdFusion & Fusebox" training, Jan 22-25 ==
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Peter Theobald [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 9:53 AM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: RE: Fusebox
>
>
>Several people have thrown out the term 'CFObjects.' But if you good read
>up on CFObjects it is not really fleshed out and certainly not thoroughly
>tested by different programmers on different types of projects. It is just a
>good starting point to make an object oriented methodology out of Cold
>Fusion programming.
>
>What I like about Fusebox is it is the first methodology I have seen that
>specifically addresses the idiosyncrasies of web programming. The fact that
>it is geared for Cold Fusion is just a plus. Web programming is not the same
>as procedural programming, and although close it is not exactly the same as
>event-driven programming either.
>Does anyone know of any more 'researched' web programming methodologies?
>
>
>At 09:47 AM 12/22/00 +0000, Adam Reynolds wrote:
>>Jeff,
>>You keep on going on about other methodologies. Which particular other
>>methodologies using CF are publicly available? You keep mentioning all
>>these other methodologies, but can we at least compare them to Fusebox?
>>
>>Fusebox is probably one of the best methodologies (if not the only public
>>methodology) available for a ColdFusion developer. The book also covers a
>>number of fundemental design elements that any CF'er should understand.
>>EVEN if they don't do Fusebox.
>>
>>Adam
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Jeffry Houser [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000 1:47 PM
>>To: CF-Talk
>>Subject: Re: Fusebox
>>
>>
>>
>>"Warrick, Mark" wrote:
>>
>>> The fusebox methodology has many benefits, and I really don't think it
>>adds any time to the development cycle. In fact, I'm pretty sure it helps
>>speed up development.
>>>
>>
>> Well, that has nothing to do w/ Fusebox. Any programming methodology
>>will offer
>>this benefit. The key is having one in place and sticking to it.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> One of the greatest advantages of the style is that you can modularize
>>you code, and in doing so, you can assign pieces of your application to
>>various developers without worrying about them stepping on each other's
>>toes.
>>>
>>
>> See above. This is not unique to fusebox.
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Another advantage is that certain companies (such as mine) require it.
>>So if you don't do it, you're not going to get a job with certain
>>companies.
>>>
>>
>> If you are not a consultant, that is complete hogwash, I think.
>>Especially with today's job market. Fusebox (or whatever methodology the
>>company uses) should be more than
>>willing to train on the methodology. If you already know the language
>>(What company
>>doesn't have enough trouble finding people who know the language?),
>>learning the
>>coding practices should be easy enough.
>>
>> I did one job, where the first thing they did was sit me down and
>>outline the
>>coding practices. It took about a half hour sitting down with the lead
>>developer.
>>I took notes, and then followed them. No problems.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Lastly, it's very simple to follow the programming flow of a fusebox
>>app. When something goes wrong, you simply search for the fuseaction in
>>the index file and then you'll see right away all the templates in a
>>single handy block that could be involved with the problem.
>>>
>>
>> As I said previously, any methodology worth its salt should offer this.
>>If
>>I don't know fusebox, then your app isn't going to be any easier to follow
>>than
>>some other unknown methodology. (It probably will be easier to follow than
>>random coding, though)
>>
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