Just as a clarification:

The "IMS" mentioned below is emwac IMS (http://www1.sica.com/ims/) and not our mail 
server product.  On-Line Data Solutions owns the
trademark to "iMS" but there are many web sites that refer to the old emwac server as 
"IMS."

Regards,

--
Howie Hamlin - inFusion Project Manager
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Stevenson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: OT: SPAM lists?


> Hey All,
>
> <cf_rant>
> I just had an mazingly frustrating experiences with one of the blackhole
> database maintainers (ordb.org).  These folks think they are doing favours
> by helping ISP's to block mail server IPs that are running open relays
> (allow spammers to send using that mail server), but their implementation
> SUCKS!
>
> The Scenario:
>
> I'm running  a development box with IMS as a mail server (and hosting a
> client's domain during development).  After about 8 months with no mail
> issues whatsoever I receive a bunch of spam test messages from ORDB.org and
> then get a message saying that my mai lever was an open relay and had been
> added to their database.  This database is provided to ISPs so they can
> block ALL mail coming from the IP addresses in it.
>
> SOOOooooOOoooo ORDB thinks it's best to just add my IP with NO warning and
> no chance to fix the issue before getting blacklisted.  Well that bit of
> strong arming shut down my mail server and my client couldn't send any mail
> (BTW my logs show that no spam EVER went through the system).  You then have
> to try and fix the problem (not easy in IMS) and submit your IP for
> re-testing (which they say takes 5-10 hours...reality was 12 plus hrs).  If
> you haven't closed the relay then you have to try again (which I had to do).
>
> My client was without e-mail for over 2 days.  I had to get rid of IMS and
> found a GREAT free mail servr that allows SMTP authentication (Argo
> Soft...get it).
>
> My communications with ORDB were less than fruitful.  They didn't care that
> my mail service was interrupted and said they don't give you a warning
> because then more spam would get through (which there was none). So these
> guys would rather innocent people lose their mail service instead of
> allowing a few more spams through...geesh.  To top it off they hide behind
> the "well it;s the ISPs that block you..we just provide them with the
> database of IPs".  Which transaltes to "He didn't have to use the gun I
> handed him"!!
>
> Well their predecesor ORBS had 2 legal injunctions against them and had to
> shut down.  I'm sure if they continue to stop valid mail service that
> someone with the time and money will go after them too...awwwwwww what a
> shame *insert eveil grin here*
> </cf_rant>
>
> Thanks for listening...and get ArgoSoft's mail server....super easy to use
> and install
>
> Bryan Stevenson
> VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
> Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
> p. 250.920.8830
> e. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> 
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