Bill, That was a long time ago, small start-ups can function differently. Plus, the economy back then made doing highly unprofitable things possible (heck, it was even encouraged <g>).
The reason CF5 has no service packs is that it did not need them, really. It was based on CF4.5SP2 which was (by SP2) a very good product. It also had a really long development cycle, and very localized and easily managed changes. CFMX has so far proven to be a good product (with the exception of a few noted and acknowledged problems), but whereas when CF5 was announced I publicly promised umpteen times that they'd never be a service pack, I have not done so for CFMX. The fact of the matter is that lots changed, and while we spent two years building this thing and tested it more than any prior product, we're also realistic and know that this is a very big and complex product and that we may find problems (we have found one, COM). The good news is that there is a definite commitment to fix any and all problems, we just need to find the right way to do that. --- Ben -----Original Message----- From: Bill Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 2:19 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Storing Queries in Application Scope Wow I've been thinking about something. Since MM took over Allaire we haven't had /any/ SP's for Coldfusion. Either that says the products are perfect or they don't give a damn lol. I mean I know they have all those hotfixes when we bitch enough to get them to allocate their more limiting resources since layoffs. :) Its a pain installing all the hotfixes one by one, it might be easier for them to release a SP but I'm sure MM is just trying to recoup the massive jack they've spend to make the MX line. Oh well one day they'll get back to the Allaire roots of their product. Lol One time Ben actually got me a call from Amy Lewis who was a VP and on the board of allaire. That's freaking how great they were about trying to do the right thing with their customers. Though I find it very hard to think I'm gonna get a call from anyone higher then Lower Management from that company. Of course I still keep buying their products so I can hope my money helps them get some better CS eventually. lol maybe let a few of the old Team Allaire guys on TMM. Oh well a programmer can dream. Bill Wheatley Senior Database Developer Macromedia Certified Advanced Coldfusion Developer EDIETS.COM 954.360.9022 X159 ICQ 417645 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Forta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 2:06 PM Subject: RE: Storing Queries in Application Scope > Douglas, > > Well, if you are planning to wait for an SP you could end up waiting > for a long long time, there is no SP scheduled at this time. > > And while there have been posts here about problems upgrading, realize > that there are a couple of thousand subscribers to this list (and far > less than that are regular contributors) and that is a very small > percentage of the CF user base - the reality is that most users have > not experienced upgrade problems at all. With the exception of COM > (which is being looked at) and the documented changes (e.g. advanced > security, dynamic database connections) this has actually been a very > painless upgrade for most (far less painful than say CF3.x to CF4 or > CF4 to CF4.5). > > Hope this helps. > > --- Ben > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Douglas Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 1:54 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: Storing Queries in Application Scope > > > This really is a problem with upgrading to MX. I would hate to > re-write and entire application just because MX does not seem to play > well with CF5 code. I have seen so many posts regarding problems > people are having with MX and am wondering if I should just wait until > a SP comes out for it. What are everone elses thoughts? > > > > > Douglas Brown > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 10:44 AM > Subject: RE: Storing Queries in Application Scope > > > > It really depends on how your application is put together. If you > > followed some of the standard ways CF applications were put > > together, then CFMX will smoke CF 5. However, if you had taken the > > time to write > > > applications that were designed to smoke every other application > > server on the market with CF 5, you are pretty much screwed with > > CFMX. > > > > Matt Liotta > > President & CEO > > Montara Software, Inc. > > http://www.montarasoftware.com/ > > V: 415-577-8070 > > F: 415-341-8906 > > P: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Stacy Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 10:42 AM > > > To: CF-Talk > > > Subject: RE: Storing Queries in Application Scope > > > > > > Really? Our CFMX smokes any of our CF5 installs! You sure you > > > don't > > have > > > debug on? ;-) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 11:27 AM > > > To: CF-Talk > > > Subject: Re: Storing Queries in Application Scope > > > > > > Yup now we're at cfmx which cf5 still is faster then though mx > > > does > > alot > > > of > > > neat things 5 doesn't. Maybe someday someone can make J2EE run a > > little > > > faster lol. > > > > > > Bill Wheatley > > > Senior Database Developer > > > Macromedia Certified Advanced Coldfusion Developer EDIETS.COM > > > 954.360.9022 X159 ICQ 417645 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 11:21 AM > > > Subject: Re: Storing Queries in Application Scope > > > > > > > > > > *sniff sniff* ahh, the good old CF3 days, back when there were a > > > > zillion restrictions on cfoutput.... Pound signs everywhere.... > > > > cfloops that counted slower than you saying the numbers.... > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Zac Spitzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Date: Friday, July 12, 2002 9:14 am > > > > Subject: Re: Storing Queries in Application Scope > > > > > > > > > Dave Watts wrote: > > > > > >>Why can I not just reference my queries at > > > > > >>application.[queryName].[value] throughout my application? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can. This is actually described near the bottom of the > > > > > technote.I'm not > > > > > > sure why the writer bothered with all that copying queries > > > > > > to > > > > > arrays > > > > > stuff > > > > > > at the top. > > > > > > > > > > and the coding style is bad way to many #'s where they aren't > need > > and > > > > > they don't lock! but it's cf 3.0 code :-) > > > > > > > > > > z > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
